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Asking about whether schools are safe or not, and what we can do to prevent gun crime in them is like considering a symptom and choosing between Bandaids. The root of the problem is that America is full of guns. That is the problem that needs to be addressed and acted on.
Asking about whether schools are safe or not, and what we can do to prevent gun crime in them is like considering a symptom and choosing between Bandaids. The root of the problem is that America is full of guns. That is the problem that needs to be addressed and acted on.
No, the root of the problem is the PEOPLE who use the guns. Do you really think that kid wouldn't have been able to get a gun if there were stricter control laws. Its like saying we need to make cocaine illegal so people don't use it anymore. Oh wait, it is illegal. The bad people will always find a way to get guns. Show me an independent study that clearly shows that more gun control laws reduce violence and then I'll back that concept. You would have to make guns totally illegal to have a meaningful impact.
The guns used were stolen from the kids mother and were purchased legally. Only a total ban on guns would have stopped the shooting. Of course one gun used was an AK-47, which should be banned for civilians IMO.
Do you have small kids? After something like this, most parents, are very worried about their kids school situation. You say schools are safe. Twenty 6 year olds murdered in their safe school. No place is safe.
Please don't be rude about it. This is not the time for it.
Yes I do. I have ten grand kids, three of which live with us. For forty years I have worked in schools all over suburban Chicago. I have seen the care that those who work in schools have for our children. I gladly get buzzed into a school and get an ID badge. This wasn't always so but I fully understand it. There has to be a line between keeping our children safe and in a nurturing and careing enviroment and turning our schools into fortresses.
When this happened on Friday morning and more details came out I was as shaken as anyone. My wife called. I told her I was physically ill. I went about my job, but I haven't shaken the cloud all weekend.
From Mister Rodgers,
"When I was a boy and I would see scary things in the news, my mother would say to me, ”Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping.” To this day, especially in times of “disaster”, I remember my mother’s words, and I am always comforted by realizing that there are still so many helpers-so many caring people in this world."
Show me an independent study that clearly shows that more gun control laws reduce violence and then I'll back that concept. ...... Of course one gun used was an AK-47, which should be banned for civilians IMO.
Well banning AK-47s and multiple ammo clips would seem to be a step forward.
Do you have an "Independent study" showing having fewer guns in our community makes us less safe?
What do all these school shooting have in common??? They are happening in schools!!!
So what does this tell us? These people are linking their hurt and pain to their experience in school! Now that asian kid chow that shot up virginia tech, and this kid in conn, are very intelligent young men. They may or may not have chemical unbalances, who's to say. One thing for sure is that modern Public school environments are more unbalanced than any other time in history. Stick 2000 hormone bound kids in one building, and force them to sit down for 8 hours a day, and cut the funding for gym class so it's another hour of sitting down. And most of the 2000 people they are forced to be around for 8 hours, are people they would never think of being friends with. This isn't learning to socailize, this is torture. And on their off time, when they are not locked in a building for 8 hours a day with Mo-Rons....they are playing war games on ps3, or watching sex-crazed movies and shows, or porn on their xhamster app. So after doing this in their leisure...they go back with the 2000 hormone bound kids in a building to sit down for another 40 hours next week. WoW!!!!! Not to mention the whole cyber bullying that has become an epidemic. CNN just did a special about this before the shooting some weeks back. So even after they go home....they have to deal with the Mo-Rons over the web at home. Throw in all the sugar that these kids are being fed as well as the caffine....and you got yourself a recipe to bring up an interresting news story.
And I don't even have to bring up the whole "God was taken out of Public shcools argument" GOD hasn't been in american culture for some time now. Americans crossed that bride a while ago.
One thing for sure is that America's culture has become over violent and over sex-crazed, and that transfers into these schools. You see it in the news all the time, elemetry school kids doing sex acts...hell even teachers are sleeping with students at alarming rates, and the ones that aren't involved in the B.S. ,still have to hear about it.
For thousands of years, kids grew up and were trained in small groups in a specialized area even by their parents , or a specific larger groups. For example if a kids dad was a mason or carpenter, he would learn that trade. or other young men would be trained to be warriors or soldiers, women would be taught to be...well women, what ever that is...you can fill in the blanks in a politically correct way. Never through out history would a couple of thousand kids be forced into a building with both genders, which have so many different skill sets, potential, and religions, views, upbringings, and interests......and force them to sit together for 8 hours and all learn the same material, in the same way, by the same teachers, its not realistic. it never worked and it never will.
The ones that are doing these un-human un-speakable acts are actually intelligent, and can do problems that require a mind to work in an orderly way...not an unbalanced way. Thats just common sense. The problem is that out of the 2000 hormone bound students, only are a few are far more intelligent and naturally more orderly, and are force to be around the other 1500 un-orderly students....So we don't need to go screeming mental disorder on cnn....and then go run billion dollar depression pill commericials...when these drugs have been proven to actually make things worse.
I think there are a few solutions here....
1. Clean up the values in our entertainment, and stop the violent video games and movies, and over sexed content. Which I don't see how this is possible....we already crossed that bridge...why would these billion dollar industries turn in the other direction....Change of heart??? LoL so this answer is out.
2. Find a way to separate the kids, by potential, skill set, and interests, personalities, as well as gender....but in a non prejudice way....this will get tricky....with out offending anyone or vilolating individual rights. Mabey give the parents the students the option to choose certain learning styles or gropus...that could work.
3. Or slowly move to a system where homeschooling, or remote shcooling is possible, or some other technological / virtual type school. Its' already becomming more feasible with the popularity of those kahn university videos on youtube, and his website.
4. Instead of a gym class...have a Meditation Class. Big corporations like google even have meditation classes at work.
5. This one is my favorite.....Stop subjecting GODS children to billion dollar industries.....feeding our children sugar, caffine, war video games, war movies, sex crazed music and movies....then stick them in a confined space with 2000 other hormone bound kids that are nothing like them and would never want to be friends with...and tell them to sit down and learn for 8 hours a day / 40 hours a week....and if they can't do this in a comfortable mannor, blame it on a chemical unbalance, and sell them the next billion dollar industry....ADHD meds, anxiety Meds, and Depression Meds. These Huge compaines create the problem with sugar and caffine, and and Un-natural entertainment industry...causing unatural sleep patterns...then they sell you the solution...their ADHD meds, , anxiety Meds, and Depression Meds...Mean while the people running these industries have the money to have chefs make them meals with organic fruits and vegetables, natural grown chicken breast, and distilled water.
And the kids of these millionaires and billionaires....are raised with the insight, not to watch this B.S. entertainment, eat properly, and get to go to other schools, with other students that are raised the same way...proper and informed. From the outside, they may seem stuck up and spoiled, but they are just healthier and have the insight to know how the game is played....cause their parent invented the game, and are making billions from it.
Wake up...Is this really that hard of the problem to crack????
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There's another theory So curl up in a little ball and teach your kids at home. Guess that makes sense to somebody. Get that big bad world away from your kids. huh.
Well banning AK-47s and multiple ammo clips would seem to be a step forward.
Do you have an "Independent study" showing having fewer guns in our community makes us less safe?
The burden of proof is on the people wanting a law change. You can't just guess or make up ways to reduce gun crime, you actually have to offer some evidence that it will work first. No one cares about your opinion, only facts. Gun laws usually have no change in crime and sometimes increase it.
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[url=http://theacru.org/acru/harvard_study_gun_control_is_counterproductive/]Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive | The American Civil Rights Union[/url]
[url=http://www.largo.org/Lott.html]Effects of Gun Control[/url]
It's not as simple as "fewer guns." It has to be fewer guns in bad peoples hands, but there will always be a black market for bad people to buy guns. Fewer guns in law abiding citizens hands isn't going to help.
Have you ever read the book Freakonomics? It has a whole chapter about gun control and crime reduction. Did you know that most guns used in crimes were purchased illegally in a black market? I think it was only 1 in 5 guns used in crimes were purchased legally.
"Our study also provided some surprising information. While support for strict gun-control laws usually bas been strongest in large cities, where crime rates are highest, that's precisely where right-to-carry laws have produced the largest drops in violent crimes. For example, in counties with populations of more than 200,000 people, concealed handgun laws produced an average drop in murder rates of more than 13%. The half of the counties with the highest rape rates saw that crime drop by more than 7%."
No, the root of the problem is the PEOPLE who use the guns. Do you really think that kid wouldn't have been able to get a gun if there were stricter control laws. Its like saying we need to make cocaine illegal so people don't use it anymore. Oh wait, it is illegal. The bad people will always find a way to get guns. Show me an independent study that clearly shows that more gun control laws reduce violence and then I'll back that concept. You would have to make guns totally illegal to have a meaningful impact.
The guns used were stolen from the kids mother and were purchased legally. Only a total ban on guns would have stopped the shooting. Of course one gun used was an AK-47, which should be banned for civilians IMO.
Well, a total ban is what I've been supporting all along, not just partial control. I think that the "it's not the guns, it's the PEOPLE" argument is not giving the complexity of the problem enough respect. Yes certain people are going to try and cause harm, but the fact that they have easy access to guns allows them to cause harm in ways a lot more catastrophic than if they didn't have guns. Yes, drugs slip through the cracks and people buy and sell the illegally, but we would have an even greater cocaine problem if they were legalized. Opium was legal in China for a time, as was Heroin in the US a long time ago, and both created large scale addictions. So I don't see the "bad people will always find a way to get guns" argument as a means to justify the legal ownership of guns. A very large percentage of "bad guys" in Chicago get their guns from legal gun owners that buy guns in the suburbs.
Proof that gun control works? There was a school in Scotland where a similar type of massacre took place in 1996. After the massacre, the British government banned all handguns and guns that could receive magazines. As a result, gun violence in Britain has dropped significantly compared to before the ban, and there has not been another school shooting to date.
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So not being rude
