Anybody relocated to the Chicago area by themselves? (I live in San Diego right now) (Vermont: apartment, renting)

[ChiNaan]

Originally Posted by Heyooooo

If youre gonna make some bold statements, you better back them up with facts.

You already know the facts. You know the much, much longer list of cities that you left out of your chart, that are warmer than Chicago. You know that more people live in those cities than the ones you cherry-picked, and therefore, to most of the U.S., Chicago is cold.

You're right, it's not brain surgery. So, again, which is it? Stupid or troll? We're waiting.

[Heyooooo]

Minneapolis/St Paul, Milwaukee, Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Rochester, Boston.

They all range from considerably worse to slightly worse to identical.

NYC and Philly are slightly better.


How are Toronto and Montreal?

Tokyo? London? Paris? Much better winter cities, right? (and before your inevitable post about them not having "winter", theyre still cold and miserable, whether its overcast and rain/drizzle or snow).

[ChiNaan]

Originally Posted by Heyooooo

If youre gonna make some bold statements,

By the way, which if the following is a "bold statement"?:

1) Chicago is cold to most people.
2) Chicago is not cold to most people.

I think you know the answer to this. Like you said, it's not brain surgery.

[Heyooooo]

Once again, my point was that to most, Chicago isnt the worst. Im not saying its not cold. Its only the worst to those who come from warmer climates, and scale of exposure.

Each subsequent post of yours suggests that it is brain surgery for you to understand.

[Lorielicious]

Originally Posted by Heyooooo

And what Northern city doesnt have cold winters? More specifically in the Midwest and Northeast? A region of 150+ million.

Rust Belt, Great Lakes, doesnt matter. Its still a ****ing mass population center for the country. You cant ****ing dismiss an entire region because "people only care about Chicago." Thats the point.

Go to Tokyo, London or Paris now. Talk about SAD.

Go to Philly. I hear the cruises are beautiful this time of year.


People from warmer climates cant take cold winters anywhere.

I'm sorry, I don't even know what your point is anymore. Do you want me to admit there are places as cold as Chicago? Okay, there are places as cold as Chicago, some colder.

But I didn't think anyone was debating that. The point was Chicago winters are cold, and your calling everyone crybabies because they think so was tiresome a long time ago, and is especially tiresome now. Yes, it does take some adjusting to for people from warmer climates, but it can be done, and some adjustments are harder to make than others. If you read this very thread, you'd know I called Chicago winters a vast improvement over winters in MN, and after having lived in the Midwest for years, freezing temperatures aren't even worth me breaking my gloves out over anymore. That doesn't mean 30 degrees isn't cold. Even Chicagoans think it's cold. If it's colder than freezing outside, it's cold, and when the temp drops an additional 10-15 degrees in January, it's damn cold. Sorry we don't take the dubious Crappiest Climate distinction away from Cleveland, but Chicago winters are cold. Fin.

Oh, and by the way, you keep saying most Americans live in climates at least as cold as ours. This is not true. Please stop saying that.

[Heyooooo]

My point is, its not the coldest winter. There is an entire region which has virtually the same winter, or worse. Thats it.

We get it. Most people probably experience a winter in Chicago due to its size, but again, it doesnt mean its the worst, since there are over 150 million people in the Midwest/Northeast.

Chicago winters are par for the ****ing course.


People from warmer climates will complain about cold and snowy winters everywhere. Minneapolis. Boston. Philly. Cleveland. You get the point.


The guy from Cleveland is touching on the same thing I am. When it comes to discussing Chicago, people make out the winters to be much worse than they are. Thats it.

[ChiNaan]

Originally Posted by Heyooooo

Minneapolis/St Paul, Milwaukee, Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Rochester, Boston.

They all range from considerably worse to slightly worse to identical.

Okay. So, what is the total population of the ones that are worse? How does that compare to the population of the rest of the U.S.?

Originally Posted by Heyooooo

NYC and Philly are slightly better.

Also known as "not as cold as Chicago," like most of the U.S.

Originally Posted by Heyooooo

How are Toronto and Montreal?

We're discussing the U.S. Yes, most of Canada is colder than Chicago. This is not news, nor is it debated by anyone.

Originally Posted by Heyooooo

Tokyo? London? Paris?

Again, these are not in the U.S., but at least two of the three are significantly warmer than Chicago in the winter.

Now that you've proven how wrong you were, and we can all agree that Chicago is cold to most people (as if this was ever up for debate in the first place), I'm done here. Have fun, obtuse one.

[Lorielicious]

Originally Posted by Heyooooo

My point is, its not the coldest winter. There is an entire region which has virtually the same winter, or worse. Thats it.

Oh, really? Chicago isn't the coldest place that there is in the entire United States? I did not know that. I'm glad we had this discussion.

[Heyooooo]

Stop making it out like it is, is what we are saying.

[Lorielicious]

No one ever said it was, guano for brains. Saying something is bad doesn't mean it's the worst thing of its kind that exists. Example: "Chicago has bad winters" does NOT equal "Chicago winters are worse than those of every other place that exists in the country." Another example: "The Mindy Project is a disappointingly terrible show" does NOT equal "This is the most terrible and disappointing TV show that there is." I mean, they're both up there, bell-curve-wise, but worse offenders exist.

I think we're done here. In any case, OP dude, Chicago winters are cold and will take some getting used to, but it can be done. I say this as someone who did not own a single long-sleeved shirt while she was in CA.