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Old 01-27-2013, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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you're clearly wrong.
ok.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:32 PM
 
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Missouri was never apart of the confederacy. It was always a part of the union and same with kentucky.
Technically, I suppose, but fierce battles were fought between the free state of Kansas and Confederates in Missouri.

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Kentucky's Louisville is fairly midwestern
I disagree completely. Even well across the state line into Southern Indiana there are thick Southern accents. It doesn't really start to feel like the Midwest until you get close to Indy, IMO.

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Also Kansas is not very midwestern or southern.
Southern, no. Midwestern, yes.

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Its very much like wyoming and montana in being a great plain state.
Kansas is like Wyoming and Montana? Are you sure you've been to any of these places? For starters, Wyoming and Montana have these things called the Rocky Mountains.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:34 PM
 
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St. Louis and Kansas City are definitely Midwestern cities but I'd consider the Ozarks and the Bootheel to be more Southern.
Yep, that fits with my experience.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Missouri wasn't "technically" not part of the Confederacy. It wasn't, period. This isn't something that can be argued at the margins or subject to interpretation. Either it was or it was not. And it was not.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:08 PM
 
Location: West Loop, Chicago, IL
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Guys, I appreciate the spirited conversation, but we're getting a little off-topic here. For the sake of this post, we'll assume that Missouri is part of the Midwest, and that Montana has been annexed by Canada.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:11 PM
 
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Missouri wasn't "technically" not part of the Confederacy. It wasn't, period. This isn't something that can be argued at the margins or subject to interpretation. Either it was or it was not. And it was not.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:39 PM
 
Location: West Loop, Chicago, IL
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Personally I can't say that Missouri wasn't technically not part of the Confederacy. BAM! Just triple-negatived your *sses! OK, back to topic.

By the way, Minneapolis is a terrific city as noted earlier. Definitely agree that it's without much of the Rust Belt grit as the rest of the big Midwest cities. The polish is nice though and it's a killer eat/drink town.

St. Paul has some nice neighborhoods, but the downtown is pretty quiet. Hopefully that'll change when the light rail line is completed.

Madison is just terrific. Being 30, I guess I wish it didn't have so much of a college vibe (being an Illinois alum doesn't help either), but the downtown is really lively and charming.

Hoping to make my way back to Cleveland this year. Spent a couple days there a few years ago and liked it, but mostly stayed downtown and am hoping to get out to Tremont, Little Italy, and the West Side market.

I love the Midwest.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:55 PM
 
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I have lived in MOST of the Midwestern cities mentioned.

I liked living in Cleveland and while the people were very friendly and the cost of living was the best, there is less to do in the city than most other cities.

I loved living in the Detroit area, especially being on an international border, BUT the racial divisions are very substantial and there is a defeatist attitude that permeates the area.

St. Louis has a great deal of things to do and I had a blast while living there but the city vs. county thing, the east dise-westside divisions was pretty difficult to get over with.

Cincinnati is interesting but progress never seems to get there.

Madison reminds me of living near Oberlin, Ohio a decade ago. Let's see, if it is Monday - what is the protest of the day?

My choice would be Minneapolis - St. Paul. The housing stock is in great shape. The social scene is very good - for people of all ages.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:59 PM
 
Location: CHICAGO, Illinois
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Kansas City.

Even though it is somewhat disconnected from Chicago.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Not where you ever lived
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I believe it s one of the Wiki hat defines the Midwest from Ohio to the Dakotas. Anyway since Canada has Montana, I'll take Tulsa. It is a beautiful city that is called by some "the art capital of Oklahoma", and it's in a historically interesting state. I don't like any big city.
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