Why is Chicago not one of the most dangerous cities in America? (Newark: violent crime, versus)

[marothisu]

Let me try this again.

The original poster mentioned about not seeing Chicago on the FBI statistics/rankings. THE FBI DOES NOT ACCEPT CHICAGO CRIME STATISTICS BECAUSE CHICAGO CATEGORIZES A FEW VIOLENT CRIMES DIFFERENTLY FROM THE REST OF THE US/FBI AND THAT IS WHY YOU WILL NEVER SEE CHICAGO ON ANY FBI "TOP" LIST.

Go to the UCR tables. Chicago literally has no statistics for violent crimes there.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by marothisu

It 100%.had to do with the fact that chicago does not report most of its crime to the FBI.

Yes it does. I don't know why this belief persists despite it being untrue.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by Drover

Yes it does. I don't know why this belief persists despite it being untrue.

Okay, let me put it another way. The FBI does not report it back in their reports because certain crimes in Chicago are categorized differently than the rest of the US. Therefore, when they rank, say, violent crime rate, Chicago gets a big fat "N/A" and is not ranked because they can't compare. Chicago not showing up on some FBI list of statistics has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Chicago is safer than 50 other cities. It's because they don't report/tabulate data for Chicago.

[trailblazer33]

marothisu is correct.

Chicago is more dangerous than St. Louis, but because St. Louis is its own county, the data it reports that Chicago does not, etc... you have to take the crime rankings with a grain of salt. The same is true for many other metros.

[emips1517]

Originally Posted by urza216

I suspect you meant that it doesn't have a high murder RATE..

it has a high murder rate compared to most cities but not really compared to the worst. i think average in the us is about 5/100k, chicago is around 19

[Drover]

Originally Posted by marothisu

Okay, let me put it another way. The FBI does not report it back in their reports because certain crimes in Chicago are categorized differently than the rest of the US. Therefore, when they rank, say, violent crime rate, Chicago gets a big fat "N/A" and is not ranked because they can't compare. Chicago not showing up on some FBI list of statistics has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Chicago is safer than 50 other cities. It's because they don't report/tabulate data for Chicago.

First of all, the UCR doesn't actually "rank" cities by crime rates -- in fact the FBI goes so far as to discourage others from doing so. Nonetheless third parties take their data and create rankings. Second, the only reason the FBI doesn't calculate Chicago's violent crime rate is because CPD does not break out "forcible rape" from "criminal sexual assault." Anyone who wants to include Chicago in their ranking can simply plug in the CPD's sexual assault numbers in place of forcible rape to generate a violent crime rate fairly equivalent to that of other cities, and that if anything marginally overstates that rate compared to other cities.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by trailblazer33

Chicago is more dangerous than St. Louis

No it isn't.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by Drover

First of all, the UCR doesn't actually "rank" cities by crime rates -- in fact the FBI goes so far as to discourage others from doing so. Nonetheless third parties take their data and create rankings. Second, the only reason the FBI doesn't calculate Chicago's violent crime rate is because CPD does not break out "forcible rape" from "criminal sexual assault." Anyone who wants to include Chicago in their ranking can simply plug in the CPD's sexual assault numbers in place of forcible rape to generate a violent crime rate fairly equivalent to that of other cities, and that if anything marginally overstates that rate compared to other cities.

I am aware of the criminal sexual assault part. Look at the first reply on this page. I allude to it. I have had phone conversations with the FBI office on this matter before. It's not that hard to call them.

Secondly, I meant rankings in the sense of sorting say cities with the highest ____ rate to the lowest. Chicago is not included. I'm not talking about indices.

Read the original post. You are getting into this much too deep. I'm providing an explanation that in fact when you look at the UCR numbers, Chicago is not included on there which is why the OP didn't see it in the first place. This has nothing to do with how dangerous or not dangerous Chicago actually is. It's an explanation to the OP to why they didn't see Chicago on the FBI's list in the first place.

[Huckleberry3911948]

bek PD's tweak the stats?

[Drover]

Originally Posted by marothisu

I am aware of the criminal sexual assault part. Look at the first reply on this page. I allude to it. I have had phone conversations with the FBI office on this matter before. It's not that hard to call them.

Secondly, I meant rankings in the sense of sorting say cities with the highest ____ rate to the lowest. Chicago is not included. I'm not talking about indices.

Read the original post. You are getting into this much too deep. I'm providing an explanation that in fact when you look at the UCR numbers, Chicago is not included on there which is why the OP didn't see it in the first place. This has nothing to do with how dangerous or not dangerous Chicago actually is. It's an explanation to the OP to why they didn't see Chicago on the FBI's list in the first place.

The first reply on this page merely says "As stated often here, yes" so I'm not sure what the relevance of that is. Second, you mentioned that there are "a few violent crimes" that are reported differently when in fact the only difference is how rape is reported.

Again, the UCR doesn't "rank" anything. And it's also false that Chicago is not included in their reports.