03-19-2013, 06:02 PM
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I hope they do move. Change would be good for Chicago. We need change.
In what way would this change be beneficial for Chicago?
03-19-2013, 06:23 PM
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In what way would this change be beneficial for Chicago?
From a monetary stand point it wouldn't. Personally, I hate the stadium and the neighborhood and the owners and the team. I don't understand the loyalty of a team that doesn't win with a raggedy stadium where you have a winning team on the other side of the city with a new stadium that isnt supported. Seems backwards to me.
03-19-2013, 06:30 PM
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mjtinmemphis
From a monetary stand point it wouldn't. Personally, I hate the stadium and the neighborhood and the owners and the team. I don't understand the loyalty of a team that doesn't win with a raggedy stadium where you have a winning team on the other side of the city with a new stadium that isnt supported. Seems backwards to me.
It's called being a sports fan. One day it'll pay off and it will be like nothing any other sports fan in any sport in this country will ever feel because the Cubs haven't won in generations... in one century.
You can hate the stadium, but to most people in MLB outside of Cubs fans, it's still regarded as a top 5 ballpark along with Fenway. It's one of the two baseball roots left. People enjoy Wrigleyville. The area around US Cellular isn't even half as a good. Fans of baseball wouldn't agree with moving it elsewhere either because of Wrigley's history.
White Sox fans are the only fans in this city that aren't loyal to their team regardless of winning/losing.
03-19-2013, 06:41 PM
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I'm guessing that Rosemont politicians aren't all that interested in the White Sox moving uptown; for one thing, they wouldn't be the South Siders anymore...
03-19-2013, 06:59 PM
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mjtinmemphis
From a monetary stand point it wouldn't. Personally, I hate the stadium and the neighborhood and the owners and the team. I don't understand the loyalty of a team that doesn't win with a raggedy stadium where you have a winning team on the other side of the city with a new stadium that isnt supported. Seems backwards to me.
So it's not that this would be beneficial for Chicago, or that Chicago needs a change period, it's that you personally hate the stadium and therefore the team should move. Well, that's rational. Never mind it would be a tremendous economic detriment to the city -- as long as YOU get what YOU want, hey, who cares.
As for the new stadium not being supported... guess what, the state owns it so the taxpayers get to "support" it whether they want to or not. At least that "raggedy" stadium on the other side of town pulls its own weight.
03-19-2013, 07:14 PM
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White Sox fans are the only fans in this city that aren't loyal to their team regardless of winning/losing.
So you mean all of the drunks at Cubs games care so much about the Cubs and not just saying that they went there.
03-19-2013, 07:26 PM
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They are not going anywhere. They got what they wanted- lights.
03-19-2013, 07:35 PM
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Once again real life imitates The Onion.
Theo Epstein Disgusted To Find Cubs Playing In Old Stadium With Weeds Growing All Over Walls | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
(Last sentence.)
In all seriousness, Wrigley Field and its location can't be beat, and are the whole reason most people go to Cubs games. The Cubs ownership certainly knows this. (Hence the reason they don't bother buying the makings of a winning team most years.) I have to imagine the civic leaders of Rosemont know this, too, so I can only assume they're doing this for publicity.
Maybe if the Cubs put together some kind of dynasty where they were a fall contender every year for several straight seasons, with at least a couple of World Series championships in the mix, they would acquire a hard core fan base of real baseball fans who cared about the team more than the stadium, and would go see them no matter where they played. Until then, Cubs games are where you go for a conveniently located historic stadium experience without worrying much about who is on the field. I'm not knocking it -- I enjoy it as much as the next guy. Let's not pretend that people would be lining up to see the Cubs at <insert random megacorporation name here> Generic Modern Stadium Surrounded By Parking Lots out in the 'burbs, though.
03-19-2013, 07:37 PM
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Once again real life imitates The Onion.
Theo Epstein Disgusted To Find Cubs Playing In Old Stadium With Weeds Growing All Over Walls | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
(Last sentence.)
In all seriousness, Wrigley Field and its location are the whole reason most people go to Cubs games . The Cubs ownership certainly knows this. (Hence the reason they don't bother buying the makings of a winning team most years.) I have to imagine the civic leaders of Rosemont know this, too, so I can only assume they're doing this for publicity.
Maybe if the Cubs put together some kind of dynasty where they were a fall contender every year for several straight seasons, with at least a couple of World Series championships in the mix, they would acquire a hard core fan base of real baseball fans who cared about the team more than the stadium, and would go see them no matter where they played. Until then, Cubs games are where you go for a conveniently located historic stadium experience without worrying much about who is on the field. I'm not knocking it -- I enjoy it as much as the next guy. Let's not pretend that people would be lining up to see the Cubs at <insert random megacorporation name here> Generic Modern Stadium Surrounded By Parking Lots out in the 'burbs, though.
Oh!! Is that why they go? They certainly don't go to see a WIN do they?
03-19-2013, 07:40 PM
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Oh!! Is that why they go? They certainly don't go to see a WIN do they?
Apparently not, given the attendance numbers to winning percentage comparison. I consider it a bonus, but that's certainly not why I go to Wrigley. That wouldn't be a very solid gamble as a fan. When I want to see a good team with a good chance of winning, I go to Sox games. When I want a cool stadium experience and location I go to Cubs games.
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Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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