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Old 06-14-2013, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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The point is that as soon as the projects were torn down, crime dramatically increased in the southern suburbs and school test scores declined as well.
That wasn't just Cabrini Green. There were four other housing projects between late 90s/2000-2011 that were torn down in Chicago.

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* Ida B. Wells Homes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
* Stateway Gardens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
* Rockwell Gardens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 06-14-2013, 05:02 PM
 
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That wasn't just Cabrini Green. There were four other housing projects between late 90s/2000-2011 that were torn down in Chicago.

* Robert Taylor Homes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
* Ida B. Wells Homes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
* Stateway Gardens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
* Rockwell Gardens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
We would've been better off if they left the projects alone.
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Old 06-14-2013, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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We would've been better off if they left the projects alone.
Possibly. It did spread some crime into some areas that were fairly safe before
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Old 06-14-2013, 05:09 PM
 
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Possibly. It did spread some crime into some areas that were fairly safe before
Indeed.
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Old 06-14-2013, 05:09 PM
 
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So are they building cases or what? What do they mean they can't do a lot about it? These people are committing real crimes yet they want to pull you over for "suspecting" you did something
I don't know. I see the cops there. I stopped and talked to a kid who had just came out onto Chicago Avenue about a month ago and he said that's how it was.
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Old 06-14-2013, 05:14 PM
 
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It was still fully dangerous 10 years ago in 2003? I thought the danger around Cabrini Green pretty much came to a screeching halt around 1999 or 2000. Or at the very latest, when the towers were vacated. Haven't the main towers been gone quite a while? When was the last year that the Towers were still up and Cabrini Green was still very much in its' prime as being the most dangerous projects?
I don't really know the answer to your last question but it is easily researchable on the web. There were still a few towers up until a few years ago, I think the last one on Division and Halsted was demolished in 2011 and had been mostly though not fully unoccupied for a while.

In terms of the danger, I never said it was "fully dangerous" in 03 or anything close to it.

And I guess everything is relative so in one sense, from it's peak, yes, it probably was somewhat of a "screeching halt" by the time the towers came down.

Let me put it this way, you did not get people who didn't live there walking down Oak through there back toward downtown then and I would imagine you still don't get too many today.
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Old 06-14-2013, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Bay Area
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So are they building cases or what? What do they mean they can't do a lot about it? These people are committing real crimes yet they want to pull you over for "suspecting" you did something
Think about it, do you think the cops want to mess with some guy who sells drugs in the projects, has nothing to lose, and probably a gun, or shakedown some 'customers' who aren't going to do anything to them? Hell, the cops may even just shake them down for drugs, let them go, and keep the stuff for themselves.

They're not 'building' a case, they know exactly what is going on and who it is. It's not worth it for them to go after it. Or they're working an 'agreement.'
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Old 06-15-2013, 12:30 AM
 
Location: Chicago- Hyde Park
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Think about it, do you think the cops want to mess with some guy who sells drugs in the projects, has nothing to lose, and probably a gun, or shakedown some 'customers' who aren't going to do anything to them? Hell, the cops may even just shake them down for drugs, let them go, and keep the stuff for themselves.

They're not 'building' a case, they know exactly what is going on and who it is. It's not worth it for them to go after it. Or they're working an 'agreement.'
yeah I know they arent "building" a case. My point is what the hell do you need police for if they arent going to do anything. We spend plenty of tax dollars for narcs and task forces so they can sit outside of the building and harass the folk who arent selling drugs.
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Old 06-15-2013, 10:10 AM
 
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yeah I know they arent "building" a case. My point is what the hell do you need police for if they arent going to do anything. We spend plenty of tax dollars for narcs and task forces so they can sit outside of the building and harass the folk who arent selling drugs.
They're going after the people with money and resources. If they can get some fines out of you, all the better.

Why mess with a dude in the projects? He has no money and nothing to lose and is dangerous. Chances are he'll just get off anyway. This isn't the first year the CPD has dealt with this...otherwise they'd have cleaned it up long ago.
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Old 06-15-2013, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Chicago- Hyde Park
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They're going after the people with money and resources. If they can get some fines out of you, all the better.
hmm isn't 70-80% of the people in jail for petty drug crimes anyway? Regardless if that person has nothing to lose he/she is still a danger to the community. Lets not act as if police are doing the community a favor.
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