Does Cabrini Green Still Exist to ANY Extent? (Chicago, Lincoln: high school, live)

[rparz]

The police are doing themselves a favor. Their commanders tell them they're a walking lawsuit.

You must be from some small podunk town. All of you small town people know exactly how to fix all the problems that ail the big city.

You make it seem like the CPD is brand new in town. Or that they're marshmallows and let people walk all over them.

Long story short is they're doing what they can because there's politics, law, and money involved. And Chicago isn't exactly squeaky clean all throughout city hall. In other words, it's not as simple as you think, otherwise they'd do it.

If you want to go on a personal crusade to reform the city and all of it's bureaucracy, go for it man. I lived there my whole life and just learned to accept it.

[pnwmdk]

Originally Posted by rparz

You must be from some small podunk town. All of you small town people know exactly how to fix all the problems that ail the big city.

Well, I am. The biggest city I have ever lived in was Phoenix, AZ.

You make it seem like the CPD is brand new in town. Or that they're marshmallows and let people walk all over them.

No, they're just as ineffective as the corrupt police in small towns, too.

Long story short is they're doing what they can because there's politics, law, and money involved. And Chicago isn't exactly squeaky clean all throughout city hall. In other words, it's not as simple as you think, otherwise they'd do it.

There's a certain measure of truth to that.

If you want to go on a personal crusade to reform the city and all of it's bureaucracy, go for it man. I lived there my whole life and just learned to accept it.

That "accepting it" is what they all did in the quote above this one. In other words, they're doing the exact same thing you're doing. They're just accepting the crime, violence, and corruption, just like you are, and thus, it is not even possible to change it.

They just get paid to wear different clothes, have a gun, and make the appearance of doing their stated job, and you actually have to accomplish your job, or you get fired.

[noid_1985]

Originally Posted by rparz

The police are doing themselves a favor. Their commanders tell them they're a walking lawsuit.

You must be from some small podunk town. All of you small town people know exactly how to fix all the problems that ail the big city.

You make it seem like the CPD is brand new in town. Or that they're marshmallows and let people walk all over them.

Long story short is they're doing what they can because there's politics, law, and money involved. And Chicago isn't exactly squeaky clean all throughout city hall. In other words, it's not as simple as you think, otherwise they'd do it.

If you want to go on a personal crusade to reform the city and all of it's bureaucracy, go for it man. I lived there my whole life and just learned to accept it.

Born and raised Chicagoan take that BS somewhere else dude.....I know who the CPD are and I know what they dont do. You can make excuses all you want. Oh i see you've moved San Francisco is it?

[rparz]

Originally Posted by pnwmdk

Well, I am. The biggest city I have ever lived in was Phoenix, AZ.

HA! I was just thinking of a guy from there as I wrote this. He was telling me about the sheriff there who locked guys up left and right. I'd love to see him come and 'clean up' Chicago.

No, they're just as ineffective as the corrupt police in small towns, too.

It's not just officer 'Bob Smith' taking a bribe. There's political and legal pressure on the cops and their superiors are directing them to an extent. Like 'if they aren't shooting anyone, leave it alone.'[/quote]

There's a certain measure of truth to that.

Talk to a few. They're not exactly what I'd call p*****s. (see suburban cops) They'll tell you stores of frustration and how their hands are tied, won't get enough backup, etc, etc. It all distills down to them basically saying "Screw it, if no one else is going to care, why should I? I'm going to clock out at regular time because no good deed goes unpunished.'

That "accepting it" is what they all did in the quote above this one. In other words, they're doing the exact same thing you're doing. They're just accepting the crime, violence, and corruption, just like you are, and thus, it is not even possible to change it.

They just get paid to wear different clothes, have a gun, and make the appearance of doing their stated job, and you actually have to accomplish your job, or you get fired.

Yeah, like I said above, it's complicated. You small town folk think one guy can change everything. Maybe down there, but if you were to start stirring things up, getting channel 5 out there, Jesse Jackson marching, they Mayor and Alderman calling your Sergeant on the phone...

Okay cowboy, you should sign up for the CPD. You're full of all kinds of ideas, you can show these guys how it's done, clean up the streets yourself, and not fall into the trap of 'acceptance' as you so claim. You've got this all figured out. Well, step up the the plate hot shot, and show us all how it's done...
And think about this for a second, with a city of 3 million people, and police force of over 10,000, do you really think none of these guys on the force ever came on with ambitions and fire to clean up the city and then see the realities of the big city make that difficult if not impossible?

[rparz]

Originally Posted by noid_1985

Born a raised Chicagoan take that BS somewhere else dude.....I know who the CPD are and I know what they dont do. You can make excuses all you want.

You sound like politician material. Ever think of running for office? You could really clean that small podunk Chicago town up with your big-ideas and big-city thinking.

Oh i see you've moved San Francisco is it?

Yes, I couldn't hack it there.

[noid_1985]

Originally Posted by rparz

You sound like politician material. Ever think of running for office? You could really clean that small podunk Chicago town up with your big-ideas and big-city thinking.

Thank you sir...Hopefully when I run for office you'll come back to Chicago and support me with your vote ....I like the sound of that Noid_1985 for mayor

[Tat2d Bald Dude]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

I don't really know the answer to your last question but it is easily researchable on the web. There were still a few towers up until a few years ago, I think the last one on Division and Halsted was demolished in 2011 and had been mostly though not fully unoccupied for a while.

In terms of the danger, I never said it was "fully dangerous" in 03 or anything close to it.

And I guess everything is relative so in one sense, from it's peak, yes, it probably was somewhat of a "screeching halt" by the time the towers came down.

Let me put it this way, you did not get people who didn't live there walking down Oak through there back toward downtown then and I would imagine you still don't get too many today.

Yeah, but if I, for no reason at all, decided to just drive past or walk past the remaining "row houses" there nowadays on a Saturday evening, or even in broad daylight, are the remaining residents really going to look at me like I've got a third eye and a look on their face that says "'the hell you doin' in our neighborhood, boy?!". Back in 1990, absolutely. Now, probably not so much.

[It'sAutomatic]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

It was Siciilian until the late 40s.

That area was Sicilian. It only became black with the projects.

I don't mean to be nit-picky but the area had a sizable and growing African-American population before the Cabrini homes were built. I think we're just on different sides of the half-empty half-full debate. The neighborhood is unusual for Chicago because it didn't "flip" rapidly and it was mixed white/black for a few decades as its black population grew. They didn't move there for the projects, they lived in the regular housing that was there, and a few black families still do. Watch Coolie High.

[rubbersoul89]

Originally Posted by McNick

We would've been better off if they left the projects alone.

whose "we"?

certainly not the kids who grew up in the horrific atmosphere of the housing projects.

[rparz]

Originally Posted by rubbersoul89

whose "we"?

certainly not the kids who grew up in the horrific atmosphere of the housing projects.

The 'we' they're referring to is suburbanites.