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Old 08-16-2013, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Nort Seid
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Timely topic, since this article was just published yesterday.

The people who abuse the welfare system are not generally who rvernsey (and many others) thinks they are:

The Surprising Truth About Government Fraud - Eric Schnurer - The Atlantic

"Combatting fraud requires efforts and investments that target the real perpetrators, not cheap shots at beneficiaries and reflexive cuts in their programs. There are, after all, equal levels of fraud and theft in other fields, most notably finance -- but we don’t try to reduce it by shutting down the entire industry and blaming the customers."
Not surprising at all.
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Old 08-17-2013, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Sweet Home...CHICAGO
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Another great quote from the article:

"A similar story emerges with everyone’s favorite punching bag, food stamps (or, as they’re known today, SNAP). Earlier this year, Senator John Thune of South Dakota and Rep. Marlin Stutzman of Indiana, both Republicans, introduced legislation to save $30 billion over 10 years from SNAP, purportedly by “eliminating loopholes, waste, fraud, and abuse.” Once you dig into their fact sheet, however, none of the savings actually come from fraud, but rather from cutting funding and tightening benefits. That’s probably because fraud levels in SNAP appear to be as low as with the other “pure welfare” programs we just touched on: “Payment error” rates -- money sent in incorrect amounts and/or to the wrong people -- have declined from near 10 percent a decade ago to 3 to 4 percent today, most of it due, again, to government error, not active fraud. The majority of food-stamp fraud appears to be generated by supermarkets “trafficking” in the food stamps. Beneficiaries intentionally ripping off the taxpayers account for perhaps 1 percent of payments."

The welfare program makes up only 1% of the federal spending budget. 60% of our country's money goes to military spending.
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Old 08-17-2013, 07:56 AM
 
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how did people get by BEFORE welfare and food stamps?

Weren't they still dealing with the same things we have today - they still had to eat, etc.
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Old 08-17-2013, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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So have we gotten real yet?
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Old 08-17-2013, 09:24 AM
 
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Another great quote from the article:

"A similar story emerges with everyone’s favorite punching bag, food stamps (or, as they’re known today, SNAP). Earlier this year, Senator John Thune of South Dakota and Rep. Marlin Stutzman of Indiana, both Republicans, introduced legislation to save $30 billion over 10 years from SNAP, purportedly by “eliminating loopholes, waste, fraud, and abuse.” Once you dig into their fact sheet, however, none of the savings actually come from fraud, but rather from cutting funding and tightening benefits. That’s probably because fraud levels in SNAP appear to be as low as with the other “pure welfare” programs we just touched on: “Payment error” rates -- money sent in incorrect amounts and/or to the wrong people -- have declined from near 10 percent a decade ago to 3 to 4 percent today, most of it due, again, to government error, not active fraud. The majority of food-stamp fraud appears to be generated by supermarkets “trafficking” in the food stamps. Beneficiaries intentionally ripping off the taxpayers account for perhaps 1 percent of payments."

The welfare program makes up only 1% of the federal spending budget. 60% of our country's money goes to military spending.
I am 100% against foreign nation building and I do not support foreign aid. The Federal Government wastes money like it's their primary goal. Let's not make this a R vs D thing because I'm not R or D. It's about waste, abuse and misuse of public aid which happens in every city in America. The effects are much further reaching than 1% of federal spending, because you ABSOLUTELY lower overall quality of life, personal morale, GDP, etc when you give a handout to capable people who can work for themselves but don't. The effects are far reaching - not to mention the army of liberal voters that it creates (by design) which will probably be the death of this country. I have met MANY people in this system, don't tell me they don't exist in huge numbers because it's BS.
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Old 08-17-2013, 09:27 AM
 
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how did people get by BEFORE welfare and food stamps?
Oftentimes they didn't.
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Old 08-17-2013, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Chicago- Hyde Park
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I think link benefits the grocery stores just as much as its customers. I wonder how much of Food 4 less or even Aldi's revenue come from link?
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Old 08-17-2013, 09:48 AM
 
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Yeah, how dare those evil cheap grocery stores sell affordable food to people who have to eat.
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Old 08-17-2013, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Chicago- Hyde Park
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Yeah, how dare those evil cheap grocery stores sell affordable food to people who have to eat.
Missing your sarcasm....lame. You've obviously missed the point
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