12-10-2013, 04:48 PM
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Yeah, for things you can get elsewhere sure. What about things that Eataly may have that you can't find anywhere else? Are people who are made aware they have those things in stock and want them just not going to go there as a statement? Doubtful for the majority of people.
Yeah there are ethnic grocery stores, but I am pretty sure there are things in Eataly that may be hard to track down in other places. There's that angle and the ones I've already talked about with tourists. There's a nutella bar, yes and you may think it's dumb, but tourists or people who just want to say they ate at a "nutella bar" are going to do it.
12-10-2013, 05:06 PM
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Yeah, for things you can get elsewhere sure. What about things that Eataly may have that you can't find anywhere else? Are people who are made aware they have those things in stock and want them just not going to go there as a statement? Doubtful for the majority of people.
Yeah there are ethnic grocery stores, but I am pretty sure there are things in Eataly that may be hard to track down in other places. There's that angle and the ones I've already talked about with tourists. There's a nutella bar, yes and you may think it's dumb, but tourists or people who just want to say they ate at a "nutella bar" are going to do it.
The argument for tourists and maybe even somebody already in the neighborhood is spot on, but then again that is sort of the same argument that was made for DisneyQuest and even ESPNZone and they did not last too long either. Maybe that is part of the "game" for the developers of places like this, not necessarily a sustainable thing, just a "quick hit" that fleeces folks for a couple of years. With more real office workers located in places north of the river than there were a years ago and more the of once aged population of the Gold Coast being replaced by younger folks maybe things will change...
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12-10-2013, 05:09 PM
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Probably. I will check out Eataly just to see what they have, but for purchase I will only use them for things I can't find anywhere else or to see how good their fresh bread or 90 second pizzas are. If they are good and not utterly expensive, then sure. If a regular loaf of their bread is like $6+ then forget it.
12-10-2013, 05:31 PM
Location: Chicago - Logan Square
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Yeah, for things you can get elsewhere sure. What about things that Eataly may have that you can't find anywhere else? Are people who are made aware they have those things in stock and want them just not going to go there as a statement? Doubtful for the majority of people.
Yeah there are ethnic grocery stores, but I am pretty sure there are things in Eataly that may be hard to track down in other places. There's that angle and the ones I've already talked about with tourists. There's a nutella bar, yes and you may think it's dumb, but tourists or people who just want to say they ate at a "nutella bar" are going to do it.
I'll check it out to see if they have anything that is really hard to get, but between all of the Italian grocers in the city I have a hard time believing they'll have a lot of things that can't be found elsewhere for less money. I can see it being convenient if you work downtown and need to pickup some Caputo 00 flour, a bottle of Elisir San Marzano, and some Culatello - but there are very few things that you can't find at the good Italian markets.
That said, I think that the general concept will be successful as a tourist attraction. Places like Quincy Market, Covent Garden, Harborplace, and Fisherman's Wharf have proven that people don't mind paying a lot of money for food that is probably worse than what they have at Eataly. Part of me wishes that they had made more of a Chicago thing by going with a German or Polish theme - maybe a German/Italian mix and call it Germangia!
12-10-2013, 05:54 PM
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Part of me wishes that they had made more of a Chicago thing by going with a German or Polish theme - maybe a German/Italian mix and call it Germangia!
love the concept, Attrill, but I might tweak it a bit: how about a place in a festive marketplace setting (Navy Pier?) that had a "Tastes of Chicago" food court? "Tastes of Chicago" is Lou Malnati's holiday gift catalog. I would include the places on his list that are the ultimate of Chicago food: Lou's, of course, for pizza, Manny's for Jewish deli, Long Grove Confectionary for chocolates, Vienna for hot dogs, Eli's for cheese cake, Garret's for popcorn, Carsons for ribs, also a place for Italian Beef, along with an assortment of other Chicago food products.
on the other hand, there would be nothing inappropriate of building something akin of Epcot's world showcase (minus the rides and attractions) that would have ethnically designed stalls for all nationalities in Chicago with their local foods.
btw, I really liked you list, but I found one serious deletion: LA's Farmers Market. That place is in a class by itself.
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love the concept, Attrill, but I might tweak it a bit: how about a place in a festive marketplace setting (Navy Pier?) that had a "Tastes of Chicago" food court? "Tastes of Chicago" is Lou Malnati's holiday gift catalog. I would include the places on his list that are the ultimate of Chicago food: Lou's, of course, for pizza, Manny's for Jewish deli, Long Grove Confectionary for chocolates, Vienna for hot dogs, Eli's for cheese cake, Garret's for popcorn, Carsons for ribs, also a place for Italian Beef, along with an assortment of other Chicago food products.
on the other hand, there would be nothing inappropriate of building something akin of Epcot's world showcase (minus the rides and attractions) that would have ethnically designed stalls for all nationalities in Chicago with their local foods.
btw, I really liked you list, but I found one serious deletion: LA's Farmers Market. That place is in a class by itself.
...baked into the system -- when you go to Navy Pier now the places you see are those, like vendors on the Tollway Oasis, that have gotten special preference through "poltical connections". That means that instead of local business person that actually knows what they are doing you have craptastic places that serve "ice cream of the future" for outrageous prices so they can continue to "contribute to the correct campaing funds" to remain a preferred vendor. Same nonsense also happens at the airports to a lesser extent, and with the food service vendors at the Chicago Park District owned Soldier Field.
12-10-2013, 06:32 PM
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Sheesh, the mere mention of anything that lies outside the hallowed bounds of 606xx just sets some people off, I've middle schooler on a playground behave this poorly but rarely adults...
I never said Westmont was better than Chicago merely that the selection of nice ethinc foods is really a plus.
My point was that places like this with their high prices and slick marketing are not really going to be attractive to any folks with a clue about what is available regionally. For folks that might be in town for something else it is probably not a bad option, but even then it is arguably not really going to send a message that Chicago (or the investors in Eatly...) should be happy about -- the sanitized soullessness of drones working for minimum wage are never going to be able to convey the enthusiasm of folks that run their own businesses.
The biggest "fail" is the attitude of those that mindless find any opportunity to play "get out of my circle of cool" at every opportunity.
The problem is that you talk about the suburbs when no one else is and when the topic has nothing to do with the burbs. Stay on topic or will report you.
12-10-2013, 07:49 PM
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love the concept, Attrill, but I might tweak it a bit: how about a place in a festive marketplace setting (Navy Pier?) that had a "Tastes of Chicago" food court? "Tastes of Chicago" is Lou Malnati's holiday gift catalog. I would include the places on his list that are the ultimate of Chicago food: Lou's, of course, for pizza, Manny's for Jewish deli, Long Grove Confectionary for chocolates, Vienna for hot dogs, Eli's for cheese cake, Garret's for popcorn, Carsons for ribs, also a place for Italian Beef, along with an assortment of other Chicago food products.
on the other hand, there would be nothing inappropriate of building something akin of Epcot's world showcase (minus the rides and attractions) that would have ethnically designed stalls for all nationalities in Chicago with their local foods.
btw, I really liked you list, but I found one serious deletion: LA's Farmers Market. That place is in a class by itself.
We already have that. Unfortunately it is at Midway Airport.
12-10-2013, 07:59 PM
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We already have that. Unfortunately it is at Midway Airport.
not exactly a festival marketplace, huh?
12-11-2013, 09:26 AM
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Husbands huge Italian family from southern Italy didn't (exception may be young adults).
May I ask when his family immigrated to the US? Nutella wasn't even created until the early 60s I believe. Most Italian immigrants moved here before WWII.
Anyway, I have travelled extensively in Italy. I have visited relatives in Liguria. Nutella is everywhere. My Au Pair is from Calabria, guess what she eats for breakfast every morning.
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People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)