Chicago nowhere near U.S. ‘murder capital’ (Washington, Manhattan: 2013, crime rate)

[Maintainschaos]

Originally Posted by PriusH8r

It's far more dangerous than say, Palm Harbor Florida. I love when people make excuses for the crime, rather than admitting they live in a high crime area.....with lots of gang violence and murders.

And Winnetka, Illinois is safer than, say, Miami, Florida (and Palm Harbor). Are we supposed to see some startling revelation in a comparison that couldn't be more apple-to-oranges?

[NOLA101]

This is entire thread is a spin-fest and BS-fest.

Chicago is the murder capital by # of murders. It isn't the murder capital by proportion of residents being murdered. That is all.

[The Villages Guy]

Originally Posted by Maintainschaos

And Winnetka, Illinois is safer than, say, Miami, Florida (and Palm Harbor). Are we supposed to see some startling revelation in a comparison that couldn't be more apple-to-oranges?

Yes, that Chicago crime is a lot worse than an awful lot of places. No too many places are making headlines with mass murders in a day like Chicago does.

Chicago murder rate far worse than during Al Capone 'gangland' days | abc7chicago.com

[Maintainschaos]

Originally Posted by PriusH8r

Yes, that Chicago crime is a lot worse than an awful lot of places. No too many places are making headlines with mass murders in a day like Chicago does.

Your irrelevant comparison didn't make that point at all.

As it was already pointed out, Chicago has the largest raw number of homicides of any city in the U.S. It is the third-largest city in the country, so the likelihood that it will have more homicides than a random suburb in Florida is almost a given. Chicago has nowhere near the highest homicide rate of the large cities in the U.S. These are the facts. You are clearly one of the many fanning the flames of media sensationalism.

[rubbersoul89]

Originally Posted by chet everett

Here is another interesting list. Given the "slicing and dicing" it appears Chicago is the largest distinct city with greatest level of poverty. Perhaps if there was a way to separate the well-off parts of Chicago's near-to-the-lake northside areas that attract recent college grads and are mostly unaffected by the kinds of gun play that plaques the vast stretches of proverty stricken areas the levels of death-by-gunshot would right up there with New Orleans, Flint and Detroit... Cities with highest poverty rates | City-data.com

So if you divide the city in half into wealthy and poor areas, you can create an area of the city where the muder rate is as high as the entire cities of Detroit, New Orleans, etc?

That's really, really interesting.

Shame that it makes absolutely zero logical sense and shows a complete misunderstanding of how statistical analysis works.

"Well, if you just completely cut half of the data set out of the equation, then you get a result that shows the narrative I support."

[rubbersoul89]

Originally Posted by chet everett

The list includes Bronx & Brooklyn...

Yes, and it's obvious that the NYC listing on there includes ALL of the boroughs.

Which makes your original statement flat out wrong.

LA is also above Chicago on that list.

Do you just not even bother to look at your own links before you post them or what?

Keep that narrative coming, chief.

Originally Posted by PriusH8r

Try to spin it however you want to, but Chicago is the place making nightly headlines for its extreme violence.

Nothing I love more than a media lapdog.

This board gets dumber by the day.

[The Villages Guy]

Originally Posted by Maintainschaos

Your irrelevant comparison didn't make that point at all.

As it was already pointed out, Chicago has the largest raw number of homicides of any city in the U.S. It is the third-largest city in the country, so the likelihood that it will have more homicides than a random suburb in Florida is almost a given. Chicago has nowhere near the highest homicide rate of the large cities in the U.S. These are the facts. You are clearly one of the many fanning the flames of media sensationalism.

However you want to spin the extreme violence and mass murders.

[chet everett]

Originally Posted by rubbersoul89

So if you divide the city in half into wealthy and poor areas, you can create an area of the city where the muder rate is as high as the entire cities of Detroit, New Orleans, etc?

That's really, really interesting.

Shame that it makes absolutely zero logical sense and shows a complete misunderstanding of how statistical analysis works.

"Well, if you just completely cut half of the data set out of the equation, then you get a result that shows the narrative I support."

...about things like school performance. Not saying it is right, just saying that has happened.

Funny thing too I that it seems very very very clear that folks who insist upon looking ONLY at the total rate of death from shootings seem to be doing so to support the narrative they support, namely that "things aren't that bad" and frankly if one were to bifurcate Chicago into the "haves and have nots" and then assign each half their own distinctive rate of crime it is quite clear that the folks that see the glass half empty of violence would then have "Noricago" fall completely off the danger zone headlines while "SoAndWesicago" would climb even higher on the list.

Mind you I am NOT advocating for this, as I beleive the violence does not just hurt the south and west sides, but having been in other cities where these stories really from Chicago grab headlines it hurts the whole city and for that matter the whole region. I mean you'd have to blind not to see all the questions in the the "Chicago suburbs" threads that start with "we are relocating and what a home in the suburbs near where the new job wil be, what is a safe town to recommend...".

My point was really that folks that fail to see how lack of jobs and massive poverty is the biggest driver of the violence that largely effects people stuck in terrible neighborhoods and until Chicago voters elect people that understand more economic opportunty is better than taking care of insiders things won't change.

[afdinatl]

It's the most dangerous to me. If not post articles from other cities that have had 82 shootings in one weekend.

[CCrest182]

It all comes down to the definition of "murder capital". If you mean per capita, of course, but this is stupid to use especially when counting and factoring in small cities that never had any note like Flint and Camden, and are comparing those to world class internationally recognized cities like Chicago, New York, and LA. Essentially you are comparing cities that are 20 square miles to cities 250-500 square miles...

If it means overall crime, then yes, Chicago is in fact the "murder capital".