08-03-2014, 11:52 AM
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It's not cherry picking unless you are comparing Chicago to smaller cities with a lower population. Then that just makes no sense....Comparing Chicago to East St Louis or Detriot or Camden...Chicago is a world class city and the population dilutes the crime statistics compared to smaller cities
Fine, Chicago's murder rate is higher than New York and Los Angeles. Always has been, and will be for the foreseeable future. You've made your point. Bye.
08-04-2014, 07:36 AM
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Too big a density difference between New Orleans and Chicago.
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08-04-2014, 11:25 AM
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This quote makes no sense.....If New Orleans had the population Chicago had it would still be worse? 98 percent of Chicago homicides happen in BAD neighborhoods on the South and West side. And then you have the sporadic violence on the North/Northwest side. If you wanted to have Chicagos population there is over 1 million people on the Northside alone and most are middle class hard working people, high class millionaires downtown, yuppies, hipsters, college students, people raising families. So what you said makes no sense because they commit no murders. If you added those 1 million people in Chicago to New Orleans their crime rate would go down its called dilution. You act as if they added the population of all the bad neighborhoods to New Orleans. There are neighborhoods in Chicago more dangerous then new Orleans
If Chicago’s West and South sides were their own cities, they’d be the deadliest and most violent in America | Chicago Muckrakers
No, what you're saying makes no sense. As I've stated in an earlier post is you take a city with for example Chicago with 2million + residents and they end up at the end of the year with lets say 400 muders and you take a city like New Orleans with a population of 400,000 and lets just say they end up with 200 murders at the end of the year, if you just go by the number of murders and not take into account the populatiion of people then yes Chicago is worse. But if you take into account population as to murders then a city like New Orleans is worse. Its simple math brah. My arguement is not about which city is more dangerous then the other, I'm just saying that if you go my the ALL the numbers meaning population and murders and NOT just the number of murders then the arguements are different. As someone one said earlier I'm paraphrasing here, Chicago has the most murders but retrospect to its population its not as bad as some other places. Also you basically stated if 1million people were added to New Orleans population the crime would go down lol... now that doesn't make since. If you add that amount of people to ANY city the crime rate will go up, how much we don't know, but it would definitely go up and not go down. I'll give you a quick example asked Houston when they got over 250,000 Katrina evacuees overnight if the crime went down? lol.. Come on brah that's ridiculous.
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08-04-2014, 11:36 AM
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Too big a density difference between New Orleans and Chicago.
True but explain.
08-04-2014, 11:43 AM
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No, what you're saying makes no sense. As I've stated in an earlier post is you take a city with for example Chicago with 2million + residents and they end up at the end of the year with lets say 400 muders and you take a city like New Orleans with a population of 400,000 and lets just say they end up with 200 murders at the end of the year, if you just go by the number of murders and not take into account the populatiion of people then yes Chicago is worse. But if you take into account population as to murders then a city like New Orleans is worse. Its simple math brah. My arguement is not about which city is more dangerous then the other, I'm just saying that if you go my the ALL the numbers meaning population and murders and NOT just the number of murders then the arguements are different. As someone one said earlier I'm paraphrasing here, Chicago has the most murders but retrospect to its population its not as bad as some other places. Also you basically stated if 1million people were added to New Orleans population the crime would go down lol... now that doesn't make since. If you add that amount of people to ANY city the crime rate will go up, how much we don't know, but it would definitely go up and not go down. I'll give you a quick example asked Houston when they got over 250,000 Katrina evacuees overnight if the crime went down? lol.. Come on brah that's ridiculous.
Did you just graduate from special education classes? Of course the whole city of Chicago in retrospect is not as bad when compared to a city with 100,000 people because the population of hard working people, yuppies hipsters and high class rich people in their downtown condos who rarely commit murders dilutes the per capita violence for ANY big city. Their are neighborhoods in Chicago with a higher murder per capitol then St Louis, New Orleans and Baltimore. East St Louis was voted most dangerous city in America, but its population is 27,000 with 20 something homicides. There are neighborhoods in Chicago with similar numbers and higher per capita
08-04-2014, 11:45 AM
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I would love to see a murder rate for the southside of the city and the west side. I'm sure if you measure a very concentrated calculation the murder rate for those two areas of the city is sky high.
08-04-2014, 12:37 PM
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Did you just graduate from special education classes? Of course the whole city of Chicago in retrospect is not as bad when compared to a city with 100,000 people because the population of hard working people, yuppies hipsters and high class rich people in their downtown condos who rarely commit murders dilutes the per capita violence for ANY big city. Their are neighborhoods in Chicago with a higher murder per capitol then St Louis, New Orleans and Baltimore. East St Louis was voted most dangerous city in America, but its population is 27,000 with 20 something homicides. There are neighborhoods in Chicago with similar numbers and higher per capita
Damn, why are you coming at me like that homie. But anyway, the thread is not about neighborhoods its about CITIES as a WHOLE. What part do you not understand? Stop going off on a tangent. By the way there are neighborhoods in New Orleans, St. Louis, Detroit, Oakland just as bad as Chicago neighborhoods. What you think Chicago neighborhoods have a monoply on that. Calm down brah.
08-05-2014, 05:33 AM
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True but explain.
Chicago has 2.7M in 234 square miles (central city), New Orleans has 300 to 400k in 180 square miles. Chicago should already have a higher murder rate.
I can see what people are doing by picking out 300k of Chi, but the problem is that NOLA is almost the same size with 8 times less people! You have to look at a similar density also, and NOLA is clearly worse than Chicago. Look at the density difference it's ridiculous, you have to break NOLA down if anything.
08-05-2014, 07:21 AM
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Let's not forget that New Orleans suffered a pretty darned disruptive loss of housing / population that also forced many people to reconsider what is a habitable part of that city --
New Housing Survey of New Orleans Post-Katrina
In contrast nearly any loss in housing units in Chicago's most crime afflicted areas good easily be reversed if there was any will of the City's mayor & poltical leaders to actually follow through on promises of jobs and reinvestment in a timely manner. Is there really any excuse for a grocery store taking THREE YEARS to open?
Englewood slated to get a Whole Foods - Chicago Tribune
08-05-2014, 09:31 AM
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Well, that's just unfair. ONLY Chicago is getting cut up in this study? No rougher sides to any other big city in the country?
I guarantee you that Uptown and the 9th ward are just as bad as ANY neighborhood in Chicago.
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People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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