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Old 01-14-2008, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Oak Park, IL
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But in places like Michigan where there is an 8% unemployment rate, don't you think a corporation could come in an offer to pay 3 or 4 bucks and hour and get some response from the desperate? Sure- but the US won't let that happen. Why? Because it's completely unfair, breaks laws and takes advantage of the disadvantaged. But it's OK for American businesses to do that overseas?
Why should a company pay a laborer more than they are worth?(In an ECONOMIC sense, everyone is innately infinitely valuable in an ETHICAL sense, kumbaya, etc).

If a low skill employee only generates $5/hour worth of value, why should they be paid $10/hour? That's not a way to have an ongoing (non-bankrupt) business. That's called charity.

The way to improve wages in the 3rd world (and Michigan) is to improve worker productivity (education) so they are worth 10 or 20/hour to employ.
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Tower Grove East, St. Louis, MO
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That's called human rights.
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Oak Park, IL
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That's called human rights.
Business owners are not required to lose money. That's called bankruptcy. Bankrupt companies don't pay wages, don't pay taxes, and don't sustain communities.
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:49 PM
 
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That's called human rights.
I guess if we don't like the ugly side of capitalism we could go back to subsistence agriculture and barter glass beads for buckskins and maize.
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:53 PM
 
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I'm sure they hate Walmart in Detroit & Youngstown Ohio being as progressive as those towns are or were in 1946.
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Tower Grove East, St. Louis, MO
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Yes I'm sure that a company who made 11 billion dollars last year is really struggling to make ends meet.

... right there on the verge of bankruptcy
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Old 01-14-2008, 02:06 PM
 
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Yes I'm sure that a company who made 11 billion dollars last year is really struggling to make ends meet.

... right there on the verge of bankruptcy
Things can change if you let it get out of hand; ie GM/Ford/Chrysler the unstoppable force. Now all those retirement benefits are bleeding them dry, just like social security. You notice that Toyota, Honda, and Subaru aren't putting their new factories in Milwaukee, Detroit, Buffalo, Cleveland, or any other historically strong manufacturing area. I guess people in the south can work a machine press just as well for less.
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Old 01-14-2008, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Tower Grove East, St. Louis, MO
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They don't pay them any less in the southern areas where they are building- they're still union.

In fcat, Toyota has a plant in St. Louis - which is the 2nd biggest automaking city in the U.S. so it's ridiculous to say they're deliberately choosing places to build cars that are nontraditional.
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Old 01-14-2008, 02:18 PM
 
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They are choosing nontraditional places intentionally like San Antonio. There are no Old Timer Union guys to stir the pot. The Rust Belt is full of potential troublemakers that don't exist in the Bible Belt.
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Old 01-14-2008, 02:20 PM
 
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They don't pay them any less in the southern areas where they are building- they're still union.

In fcat, Toyota has a plant in St. Louis - which is the 2nd biggest automaking city in the U.S. so it's ridiculous to say they're deliberately choosing places to build cars that are nontraditional.
Two factories show how starting fresh gives Toyota edge

Read and learn.
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