Is the crime rate in Chicago exaggerated? (Lee, Time: 2014, neighborhood)

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

How many do you really think are self defense? One out of a thousand?

You missed my point. HeyJackass's numbers are usually higher than Red Eye and the Red Eye reports homicides that the FBI doesn't even report for any other city in the US. There's no real reason HJ's numbers should be higher than Red Eye's.

[Chicago60614]

^ yes, HeyJackass includes a lot of other factors in their death counts. They're deaths, but they can't really be tracked, as it includes far more activity than just reported homicides. Their counts will always be quite a bit higher than the actual homicide counts that can be comparable between cities.

[11thHour]

[jonnynonos]

Originally Posted by Chicago60614

^ yes, HeyJackass includes a lot of other factors in their death counts. They're deaths, but they can't really be tracked, as it includes far more activity than just reported homicides. Their counts will always be quite a bit higher than the actual homicide counts that can be comparable between cities.

Sounds like the opposite of what Chicago Magazine said about the way Chicago police count (or don't count) murders. I didn't read the whole article but I think the crux was that they didn't count a fair amount of deaths that common sense told you were homicides but which weren't proved as such.

It was a cover story last year.

[lycos679]

Originally Posted by Blessed310

The first bolded statement is stupid so if I'm African-American living in a nice area of Chicago just the fact that I'm not white increases my chances of getting shot..makes no sense! Why not just leave it at the fact that high crime happens in the more impoverished areas?

You forgot about cops. Cops shoot. Bullets kill.

Originally Posted by TBideon

Chicago is a pretty pro-crime city as the bad guys have significant carte blanche to terrorize both their dysfunctional, and to a lesser degree the more functional, neighborhoods. Police response time is abysmal in much of the city, with police presence noticeably absent in the better neighborhoods (and boy oh boy do the bad guys know this). The law-abiding types are utterly abandoned in declining neighborhoods, with longstanding prohibitive measures for adequate self-defense.

As such I'd say crime is vastly under-reported here, in particular black-on -white attacks which the city pretends is not a serious matter (i.e. the 2012 North Beach attacks)

Cops are seemingly absent from nice areas because the crime is lower there to begin with.

[jonnynonos]

Just bumping this thread to post this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/us...ties.html?_r=0

I am not prone to hyperbole but these are massive increases in homicides across cities. Milwaukee, St. Louis, Baltimore and Washignton's mind-boggling 40-75% increases year-to-date make Chicago's 20% surge look homely in comparison.

Interestingly, even the normally left-of-Lenin commentators on the NYT seem by and large fed up.

To my mind, no real explanation in the article, except for what basically amounts to the worsening of a cultural death spiral.

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

Just bumping this thread to post this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/us...ties.html?_r=0

I am not prone to hyperbole but these are massive increases in homicides across cities. Milwaukee, St. Louis, Baltimore and Washignton's mind-boggling 40-75% increases year-to-date make Chicago's 20% surge look homely in comparison.

Interestingly, even the normally left-of-Lenin commentators on the NYT seem by and large fed up.

To my mind, no real explanation in the article, except for what basically amounts to the worsening of a cultural death spiral.

These increases seem to happen every few years. Why? Wtf knows. Long term trends clearly show declines.

Of course the US is filled with idiots who only look at the short term. Just look at our economic system.

[Huckleberry3911948]

If like here it's grossly understated

[Ivory Lee Spurlock]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

Just bumping this thread to post this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/us...ties.html?_r=0

I am not prone to hyperbole but these are massive increases in homicides across cities. Milwaukee, St. Louis, Baltimore and Washignton's mind-boggling 40-75% increases year-to-date make Chicago's 20% surge look homely in comparison.

Interestingly, even the normally left-of-Lenin commentators on the NYT seem by and large fed up.

To my mind, no real explanation in the article, except for what basically amounts to the worsening of a cultural death spiral.

Yeah Fox News and right wing talk radio has been talking about this for the last couple of days. According to them, the common denominator is these cities are all run by democrats or liberals. I think that's a bunch of nonsense. Those cities have always been violent ever since I can remember and I'm sure some have been run by Republicans at least once over the past 50 years and I'm sure the murder rate was still way higher than the national average.

[jwuk45]

Guns? Each year the number of guns in America increases. The violent crime rate continues to decrease every year but the homicide rate in certain areas of certain cities climbs.

Also, when you have a culture that increasingly puts being successful/respected/looked up to above human life, it's not that surprising. All it takes these days is someone to make a bad comment on facebook and they end up shot to death. I think social media has a big part to play. Young people grow up very detached from real social interaction, and are given a distorted view of human interaction through sites like facebook. People get murdered for not "liking" a person's status. It's ludicrous.

“Maintaining one’s status and credibility and honor, if you will, within that peer community is literally a matter of life and death,”

Reposting the link as yours is dead

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/us...us-cities.html

It's overwhelmingly a problem in the black community of America. Even as a very anti-racist far left liberal, I'm starting to get a bit tired of the #blacklivesmatter thing without any mention of solving issues in their own communities. Saying "it's out of control here" isn't helping if you're refusing to co-operate with police for fear of being a snitch or just because you don't like police.