01-29-2008, 07:15 PM
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If it was not,I would not exist.:-) Of course it is possible.
LP H.S. is good , however there are way more gang problems there than Whitney Young or Lane Tech. Whitney Young is the best public H.S. in the city now. The neighborhood around it is kind of questionable though still. I believe they can be bused there however. It offers Jr. High also.
Lane is very good too. I would want my kids (if I had them) to go to Lane or Whitney Young way before I would consider Lincoln Park if you go the public route.
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01-29-2008, 07:23 PM
Location: Around Chicago
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Forget all the public schools. I researched them exhaustively over the years, and stayed with private. Don't believe the CPS hype.
Wow! I wish I could research over 600 schools exhaustively.
01-29-2008, 07:27 PM
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i am ok with Catholic school........i am more concerned with the neighborhood. i really do not want to do suburbs. i am so sick of driving everywhere that the idea of living in a city where i wouldn't have to is so exciting!
01-29-2008, 07:42 PM
Location: Oak Park, IL
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This may be sacreligious to even suggest it, but you might want to consider some of the inner suburbs as an alternative. Suburbs such as Oak Park and Evanston have a very urban feel (probably more urban than Beverly), seamlessly merge with the Chicago street grid, are very walkable, and have good public school systems. Both have el access to the city. OP is 8 miles from the loop, closer than many city neighborhoods, Evanston is a bit further but has the advantage of the lake.
Both towns are a mixture of single family homes, condos, and apartments. In your price range you could definitely get a nice 3 bedroom condo or a small SFH in OP. Evanston is a bit pricier, but probably still doable.
01-29-2008, 10:41 PM
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Wow! I wish I could research over 600 schools exhaustively.
All 600 are not worth researching.
As a parent, you have to get into the details and not get marketed to by any system (private OR public). Anyone who can afford it, barring one or two kids I know whose parents sent them into the IB program at Lincoln Park HS (and regretted it later) send their kids to private school. If you can't afford it, I suggest finding a way to afford it. The CPS system has gone downhill (more and rapidly) in even the past few years for reasons that might seem "non PC" but are nevertheless a reality.
01-29-2008, 10:42 PM
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This may be sacreligious to even suggest it, but you might want to consider some of the inner suburbs as an alternative. Suburbs such as Oak Park and Evanston have a very urban feel (probably more urban than Beverly), seamlessly merge with the Chicago street grid, are very walkable, and have good public school systems. Both have el access to the city. OP is 8 miles from the loop, closer than many city neighborhoods, Evanston is a bit further but has the advantage of the lake.
Both towns are a mixture of single family homes, condos, and apartments. In your price range you could definitely get a nice 3 bedroom condo or a small SFH in OP. Evanston is a bit pricier, but probably still doable.
THis is a great suggestion, and I think a complete search ought to include these two burbs also. They do both have walkable "downtowns". I always felt Evanston was more connected to the city.
01-29-2008, 11:17 PM
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Look at the neighborhoods of Edgebrook, Sauganash, Wildwood, Edison Park, Norwood Park and Jefferson Park. The first 3 mentioned are in the 60646 zip code. Norwood Park is in 60631 and Jefferson Park is in 60630. I have a friend raising 2 boys there (60646) and a family member raising a daughter there (60646). None of these 3 kids are even in kindergarten yet, but grammar schools were an important part of their decision to live there and all 3 kids will be attending public schools. These are well established neighborhoods all located on the northwest side of the city. They all very nice homes - older homes from the 30's that have been rehabbed and some new homes (tear downs of older homes). Many Chicago Police reside in these areas and crime rates are low for the city. The commuter train to the city is about 35 minutes and the drive isn't bad to downtown. Good mix of working and stay at home moms, active neighborhood groups, parks, etc. etc. So if you want to live in Chicago but not necessarily in a highly populated area such as Lincoln Park, Lakeview, etc. and would rather live in a single family home and have a driveway AND garage, check these areas out.
01-29-2008, 11:30 PM
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THis is a great suggestion, and I think a complete search ought to include these two burbs also. They do both have walkable "downtowns". I always felt Evanston was more connected to the city.
The OP already off the bat stated they do not want to live in the burbs.
Also, instead of just trashing the city public schools (which even I admit at least 3/4 are total garbage) maybe you should post what private school options are available in the city that do not cost an arm and a leg ?
Btw-There are plenty of graduates of the CPS that are doing very well in life.
Francis Parker is totally out of the question I am sure.
Francis W. Parker School, Chicago
01-30-2008, 07:22 AM
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The OP already off the bat stated they do not want to live in the burbs.
Also, instead of just trashing the city public schools (which even I admit at least 3/4 are total garbage) maybe you should post what private school options are available in the city that do not cost an arm and a leg ?
Btw-There are plenty of graduates of the CPS that are doing very well in life.
Francis Parker is totally out of the question I am sure.
Francis W. Parker School, Chicago
Need the age of the kids. If they are pre school, that's one thing. If they are transferring INTO another school from where they are, then that's a different situation and a different kind of school.
Parker, Latin, U of C Lab...all very expensive but good. Parker on the "new age" side, but great for some kids. Latin, Lab more for academically apt (or $$ to get the kid in "regardless"). Lab more math/science oriented. These are the high $$ privates.
Sacred Heart/Hardy Prep excellent, not as expensive. Goes to Grade 8. Excellent, I would say the best Catholic school in the city. Francis Xavier Warde very good, early grades campus separate from upper grades campus, but not a huge problem. One at Holy Name, other at Old St. Pat's. St. Clements in Lincoln Park good. Sacred Heart/Hardy Prep is not associated with the Archdiocese.
The Archdiocese of Chicago website has a list of schools, google them; they have a complete website. Check out the neighborhoods and then visit the schools.
British school -- big bucks but good. Small.
French school - "Lycee Francais". French spoken in class, so it's English as a SL, pretty much. Old World type education; the child would be completely fluent in Fr, obviously, but sometimes parents feel the actual English suffers in terms of writing, if they progress or change to "non French" schools.
Catherine Cook on Schiller is small and excellent for preschool and early grades. Classes get very small (very) in upper grades and many parents feel that isn't the best situation.
Ogden, Lincoln, and a few other CPS elementary schools are "okay." Children generally struggle if they transfer to a private from those schools. The services are not there to help with tutoring until the situation gets so DIRE that the kid is really behind - or held back. Most of their "support" $$ goes for ESL. The "mainstreaming" attempts (NCLB) are a sham; the basically normal kid with a tutoring issue generally cannot get services of any kind, even with a "certified" learning disability documented by a viable agency...or the CPS testing. On the other side of the bell curve, the same applies for "accelerated"; "accelerated" at Whitney Young, for instance, is only the average track at the public HS's by and large...perhaps single honors at a private, certainly not top of heap. You don't want to have the rose colored glasses on and then have your child get to the college level and find out "honors" is not actually "honors."
Roycemore in Evanston is okay in early grades and is generous with financial aid and scholarships. Upper grades, again, too small for most parents However, the elementary schools in certain nbrhoods in Evanston, I understand are fine, so Roycemore would not be necessary to investigate if you lived there.
High schools, if the kids are that old I could make another post.
All privates offer financial aid and you usually don't have to be destitute to qualify. In some cases, it is SURPRISINGLY generous. Having more than one child in the school also helps that situation.
Experienced parents don't "just trash" as a rule.....the city parents I have known for years understand that this is not "there's the school, go in the door and listen to the teacher" days of yore. There are VERY unfortunate realities in the CPS which affecty all the students. Obviously, everyone knows of people who go through less than great systems and come out "fine." That is not the "law of averages" with the CPS, however. As I said, it's the details here, and every parent has to seriously clheck these out. OFTEN, problems in the CPS do not become apparent until the child is older, and this is VERY common. I am talking academically.
Parents can share their knowledge of various schools, what they have observed, experienced or researched. Obviously, the parent knows their own child/children, their needs, strengths, personality, etc., and has to approach the situation from that viewpoint -- so recommending the schools to investigate is about as far as most people can go. It's usually better for a parent to ask about a particular school and get input to combine with their impressions and research. It is very helpful also to speak to faculty at a school OUTSIDE OF school, or parents of recent graduates.
The transfer (out) rate is very important with a private, and more than two parent references should be called personally in any case. There is a wealth of information out there. Test scores don't reveal the entire picture, of course.
01-30-2008, 08:09 AM
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British school -- big bucks but good. Small.
Thanks for all the school info. Very Helpful. Just curious if you know anything else about the British School IB program. I think they're building a new campus, so maybe they're growing. I was always impressed with British Schools overseas and have considered looking into it....
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Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)