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[marothisu]

Originally Posted by NOLA101

I think Canaryville is mostly Hispanic and Bridgeport mostly Asian these days. But probably a bit of the old feel remains.

There's some Asian people there now (around 9 or 10% in one tract, but only a few percent in another tract), but it's still predominantly white.

[NOLA101]

Originally Posted by marothisu

There's some Asian people there now (around 9 or 10% in one tract, but only a few percent in another tract), but it's still predominantly white.

Hmm, not sure about that. Pretty sure Canaryville is around 75% nonwhite, and Bridgeport near Chinatown appears majority Asian.

I doubt there's a Census tract in those two neighborhoods that is less than 10% minority at this point.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by NOLA101

Hmm, not sure about that. Pretty sure Canaryville is around 75% nonwhite, and Bridgeport near Chinatown appears majority Asian.

I doubt there's a Census tract in those two neighborhoods that is less than 10% minority at this point.

You are probably counting too much in the definition of the neighborhood. Canaryville doesn't really extend west of Halsted or too much. The area west of Halsted is much more Hispanic for sure. No doubt about that.

For example, this is a main part of Canaryville:
Census Tract 610800 in Cook County, Illinois = 69.7% non hispanic white

North of there you'd be more correct in this block group which is 23.7% Hispanic and 20.9% Asian (29.7% non Hispanic white).: http://www.usa.com/IL0318426001.html

But at the same time you have these two census block groups part of Canaryville:
* http://www.usa.com/IL0318426003.html = 61.8% non Hispanic white
* http://www.usa.com/IL0318426004.html = 52.8% non Hispanic white

These are in "race alone" too - the "Other category" which for each of these is actually pretty high has more people who are 2 or more races.

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by NOLA101

I think Canaryville is mostly Hispanic and Bridgeport mostly Asian these days. But probably a bit of the old feel remains.

When I go to the strip mall over there on Ashland and 31st I feel it's more Mexican than anything else.

Really only Mt. Greenwood and Edison Park seem to be the mostly White neighborhoods that are made up of natives and not transplants.

[tollfree]

The demographics of Canaryville, very intriguing.

[EddieOlSkool]

Let me clear up what I meant. Strong Chicago sounding people exist in areas outside of the North Side.

What isn't accurate is the Superfan accent. Nobody here says "saaaahhhhhsage". It's called a "SAWsage" with emphasis on the aw. Same with hot dogs. Nobody says "haht dahgs", it's "haht DAWGS". The Superfan pronunciation was more Minnesota. I remember when I meet people from MSP and they talk about their "bahss at work" or their "dahgs at home".

Want to know something confusing? Let's think about the mafia term, mob boss. If you want to be perplexed at the Chicago accent, think about this.

Boston had "mawb bawses"
Minneapolis had "mahb bahses" (Norwegian mob maybe lol)
Chicago on the other hand, had "mahb bawses".

In Indianapolis, it's simple. They eat hot dogs. In Pittsburgh, they eat hawt dawgs. In Minneapolis, they eat haht dahgs. But in Chicago, they eat haht dawgs.

It's a confusing dialect.

[Larry Siegel]

Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool

Let me clear up what I meant. Strong Chicago sounding people exist in areas outside of the North Side.

What isn't accurate is the Superfan accent. Nobody here says "saaaahhhhhsage". It's called a "SAWsage" with emphasis on the aw. Same with hot dogs. Nobody says "haht dahgs", it's "haht DAWGS". The Superfan pronunciation was more Minnesota. I remember when I meet people from MSP and they talk about their "bahss at work" or their "dahgs at home".

Want to know something confusing? Let's think about the mafia term, mob boss. If you want to be perplexed at the Chicago accent, think about this.

Boston had "mawb bawses"
Minneapolis had "mahb bahses" (Norwegian mob maybe lol)
Chicago on the other hand, had "mahb bawses".

In Indianapolis, it's simple. They eat hot dogs. In Pittsburgh, they eat hawt dawgs. In Minneapolis, they eat haht dahgs. But in Chicago, they eat haht dawgs.

It's a confusing dialect.

That was pretty good

...but I have never heard anyone anywhere pronounce 'mob' to rhyme with 'boss'. Mob rhymes with Bob and boss rhymes with floss.

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by Larry Siegel

That was pretty good

...but I have never heard anyone anywhere pronounce 'mob' to rhyme with 'boss'. Mob rhymes with Bob and boss rhymes with floss.

In cities that are cot-caught merged, the pronunciations employ the same Vowel sound. Most coastal cities on the Atlantic differentiate between the two sounds. But the Boston area doesn't.

Likewise, most Great Lakes region cities differentiate between the two sounds. But once you get to Minnesota, the sounds merge but into a sort of "broad a" sound like "ah" whereas in Boston they take on a more British short-o sound like "aw".

However, given that most consonants will produce a different Vowel sound based on the way the tongue and mouth have to interact, no Vowel will sound the absolute same even with cot-caught merged people no matter how close the sounds are. But the differences are so negligible they are considered fully merged.

In theory a cot-caught merged dialect would employ the same Vowel sound for floss as it would for Bob.

[Larry Siegel]

Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool

In cities that are cot-caught merged, the pronunciations employ the same Vowel sound. Most coastal cities on the Atlantic differentiate between the two sounds. But the Boston area doesn't.

Likewise, most Great Lakes region cities differentiate between the two sounds. But once you get to Minnesota, the sounds merge but into a sort of "broad a" sound like "ah" whereas in Boston they take on a more British short-o sound like "aw".

However, given that most consonants will produce a different Vowel sound based on the way the tongue and mouth have to interact, no Vowel will sound the absolute same even with cot-caught merged people no matter how close the sounds are. But the differences are so negligible they are considered fully merged.

In theory a cot-caught merged dialect would employ the same Vowel sound for floss as it would for Bob.

I never thought about that. He cot a cold. Funny.

I also think my wife, whom I've known for 37 years, mispronounces my name. She says Larry to rhyme with hairy, when I think it should rhyme with Harry. But she thinks hairy and Harry have the same sound when I think they are completely different. She is from southern Indiana.

[ChicagoMeO]

Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool

Let me clear up what I meant. Strong Chicago sounding people exist in areas outside of the North Side.

What isn't accurate is the Superfan accent. Nobody here says "saaaahhhhhsage". It's called a "SAWsage" with emphasis on the aw. Same with hot dogs. Nobody says "haht dahgs", it's "haht DAWGS". The Superfan pronunciation was more Minnesota. I remember when I meet people from MSP and they talk about their "bahss at work" or their "dahgs at home".

Want to know something confusing? Let's think about the mafia term, mob boss. If you want to be perplexed at the Chicago accent, think about this.

Boston had "mawb bawses"
Minneapolis had "mahb bahses" (Norwegian mob maybe lol)
Chicago on the other hand, had "mahb bawses".

In Indianapolis, it's simple. They eat hot dogs. In Pittsburgh, they eat hawt dawgs. In Minneapolis, they eat haht dahgs. But in Chicago, they eat haht dawgs.

It's a confusing dialect.

Sorry, but they DO talk that way in some parts of the southwest side (white people). I can tell a southwest sider by that accent. They do say sahsage.