Crime Spillover to "Nice" Neighborhoods (Chicago, Lincoln: how much, new home)

[NealIRC]

Originally Posted by beaniemac

I used to live in a worse neighborhood and my house was broken into 3 times in like a 6 month period. back then, I worked a job in an office. one time I actually caught them in my house as I was walking in with my daughter who was around 7 at the time. scary ****. they actually dropped everything they were trying to take and ran out. this was about 5 years ago, and knock on wood, I haven't had any other issues since then.

What hood was that?

Originally Posted by beaniemac

according to the tracker which list homocides and shootings on dnainfo, there hasn't been a shooting in my immediate area (where I live now) in like 5 years.

Yea it can be quiet now by the Walmart on 83rd.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

Chicago Magazine: "A full year has passed since Chicago raised serious questions about the accuracy of the Chicago Police Department’s crime statistics under Mayor Rahm Emanuel and his handpicked top cop, Garry McCarthy. The investigation found that the department underreported homicides in 2013 by misclassifying at least 10 killings, including that of Tiara Groves. We also revealed how the department systematically downgraded other violent felonies and serious property crimes. More than 40 current and former police officers of various ranks told us that the misclassifications resulted from intense pressure that top police superiors put on rank-and-file officers to produce crime numbers that go in only one direction: down."

The problem is that yes, there have been reclassifications and fudging of numbers. Nobody is denying that, and it happens in more than just Chicago, but we don't actually know to what extent. Nobody on here, definitely, has any idea of what percent this goes on about. We have a handful of examples of it happening, but compared to the 250,000+ crimes reported last year, for example, it's nearly impossible to accurately project at what rate it's happening. And you also have to assume that Rahm's administration is the only administration that has fudged numbers in Chicago history - very very very highly unlikely.

It could be 75%, it could be 25%, etc. Nobody knows the extent of which it goes on, at least on here and certainly probably not the internet. The only ones who know are probably the ones at the top of the PD. And there are obviously many crimes all over the US that go unreported by the victims for a variety of reasons.

Nate Silver of Five Thirty Eight (hopefully you know who that is) had an interesting article literally yesterday about what NYC is being accused of (much like Chicago) and making sense of it:

How To Make Sense Of Conflicting, Confusing And Misleading Crime Statistics | FiveThirtyEight

[Antonio Montana]

Originally Posted by marothisu

The problem is that yes, there have been reclassifications and fudging of numbers. Nobody is denying that, and it happens in more than just Chicago, but we don't actually know to what extent. Nobody on here, definitely, has any idea of what percent this goes on about. We have a handful of examples of it happening, but compared to the 250,000+ crimes reported last year, for example, it's nearly impossible to accurately project at what rate it's happening. And you also have to assume that Rahm's administration is the only administration that has fudged numbers in Chicago history - very very very highly unlikely.

It could be 75%, it could be 25%, etc. Nobody knows the extent of which it goes on, at least on here and certainly probably not the internet. The only ones who know are probably the ones at the top of the PD. And there are obviously many crimes all over the US that go unreported by the victims for a variety of reasons.

Nate Silver of Five Thirty Eight (hopefully you know who that is) had an interesting article literally yesterday about what NYC is being accused of (much like Chicago) and making sense of it:

How To Make Sense Of Conflicting, Confusing And Misleading Crime Statistics | FiveThirtyEight

You're right. We don't know the full extent of the coverup, so that's why I'm going to go ahead and trust the people on the ground like the OP and other sources who are actually in the situation, and not the spin of The Chicago machine and their crime statistics, because we know there has been pressure to underreport crime. As I said, I hope you're right that crime is down. In the meantime, I think it's wise for all law-abiding citizens in Chicago, especially in Lakeview, to get a CCW license and learn how to defend themselves, because it's obvious that the police can't be relied upon.

[beaniemac]

Originally Posted by NealIRC

What hood was that?



Yea it can be quiet now by the Walmart on 83rd.

I live just just east of the dan ryan in that area.

I used to live in west englewood.

[ToriaT]

Despite the statistics, nobody, at least at the social media I read is convinced crime is down. There seems to be an uptick in crimes especially robbery in formerly nice, safe areas. If you track some of the crime web sites, its not spillover crime from adjacent areas but its from people outside the area who are travelling to upscale neighborhoods to rob people.

[beaniemac]

Originally Posted by ToriaT

Despite the statistics, nobody, at least at the social media I read is convinced crime is down. There seems to be an uptick in crimes especially robbery in formerly nice, safe areas. If you track some of the crime web sites, its not spillover crime from adjacent areas but its from people outside the area who are travelling to upscale neighborhoods to rob people.

this is EXACTLY what I think is happening. I mean, if you live in a **** neighborhood and are gonna commit a burglary, why not travel up north where you might get better stuff and while facing the same consequences if you're caught.

[FAReastcoast]

Originally Posted by beaniemac

this is EXACTLY what I think is happening. I mean, if you live in a **** neighborhood and are gonna commit a burglary, why not travel up north where you might get better stuff and while facing the same consequences if you're caught.

This won't be popular on a site like this, but this is exactly why we need stop and frisk. We need to make life is uncomfortable as possible for criminals who want to enter the neighborhood.

[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by FAReastcoast

This won't be popular on a site like this, but this is exactly why we need stop and frisk. We need to make life is uncomfortable as possible for criminals who want to enter the neighborhood.

And the black people who live in these neighborhoods?

And Chicago has stop and frisk, in greater numbers than new York ever did.

[Antonio Montana]

Originally Posted by ToriaT

Despite the statistics, nobody, at least at the social media I read is convinced crime is down. There seems to be an uptick in crimes especially robbery in formerly nice, safe areas. If you track some of the crime web sites, its not spillover crime from adjacent areas but its from people outside the area who are travelling to upscale neighborhoods to rob people.

This is very true. Also, the perps know many of the nice neighborhoods are understaffed as far as police go. So, they have a higher change of getting away with their crime. That's why getting that CCW license is so important, as many cops will agree. The police cannot be relied upon.

[IrishIllini]

Originally Posted by FAReastcoast

This won't be popular on a site like this, but this is exactly why we need stop and frisk. We need to make life is uncomfortable as possible for criminals who want to enter the neighborhood.

Stop and frisk turns into stopping all brown people who appear to be "threats" and making them feel uncomfortable in a neighborhood they may very well live in. How about we actually address the underlying causes of these issues such as failing schools, lack of access to quality jobs, and a deep culture of gang violence? Crime isn't the go-to for most people. It's typically people who have few, if any, other options who result to crime.