If Chicago doesn't fix the horrible 'carnage' going on 228 shootings so far and 42 killings up 24% I'll send in the Feds (public schools, cost)

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by damba

I concur, and have had similar experiences visiting Detroit.

Much of the train of reasoning I see posted why Detroit and Chicago should be considered 'the same' (erroneously, may I add) is because of the segregation and presence of socioeconomically disadvantaged persons in large numbers.

Segregation??? LOL!! There has to be something to segregate before you can call a city segregated. Detroit is like 85% African American and poor. It's homogeneous, not segregated.

[personone]

Originally Posted by BRU67

Have you actually been to Detroit? Their neighborhood just outside of the downtown (their version of our South and West Loop essentially) is just like Englewood. I know this because I was there last year and went to buy a good Cabernet Sauvignon and some Brie at the liquor establishment nearest my classic river front hotel. I ended up in a total chaotic ghetto scene that would have put a Rothchild in south Austin to shame. I rushed out of there with some packaged pickles, Slim Jim's and MGD.

And if you go outside that "nice" area it gets worse, to the point where it's reverting back to Prairie. There is a huge difference I'm sorry.

I have been to Detroit a handful of times when I was living in Michigan. Downtown, around the ballpark, and to the area around Wayne State university. I completely agree with you that it thins out quickly, and overall there are many more nice neighborhoods and sections in Chicago compared to Detroit. Chicago is a world class city, despite some of its problems, so on that front, they aren't comparable.

I was saying that a bad neighborhood in Chicago isn't going to be much "nicer" than a bad neighborhood in Detroit. There isn't much difference between a bad neighborhood in Chicago, or Detroit, or St. Louis, or Baltimore, etc.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by personone

I have been to Detroit a handful of times when I was living in Michigan. Downtown, around the ballpark, and to the area around Wayne State university. I completely agree with you that it thins out quickly, and overall there are many more nice neighborhoods and sections in Chicago compared to Detroit. Chicago is a world class city, despite some of its problems, so on that front, they aren't comparable.

I was saying that a bad neighborhood in Chicago isn't going to be much "nicer" than a bad neighborhood in Detroit. There isn't much difference between a bad neighborhood in Chicago, or Detroit, or St. Louis, or Baltimore, etc.

Bad is bad, true, But nowhere else matches the barren desolation of some parts of Detroit. Those areas look like a twisted urban version of Little House on the Prairie, only instead of the friendly Ingalls and Oleson families you have Seven Mile Bloods and Almighty Vice Lords.

Chicago has some tough areas, don't get me wrong, and I'm not saying we don't have some serious blight. We just don't have anything that looks as bad as the worst parts of the Motor City. No way.

[compactspace]

Detroit does seem to be a sore point for Chicagoans. I'd personally like to see Detroit reinvent itself and help elevate the Great Lakes region to match its grand architecture and historical vision.

[Vanderbiltgrad]

Detroit has way more issues than Chicago. The problem with Chicago is Rahm he is a horrible mayor. I agree Chicago is a world class city and offers more than Detroit in everything.

[prhill]

Rahm is an embarrassment. Not only do people here hate him but wow all the endless comments I see from people all over talking about him and asking how can Chicago support such a person and make him Mayor and what a disgrace he is to our city and on and on!

[NealIRC]

Originally Posted by prhill

Rahm is an embarrassment. Not only do people here hate him but wow all the endless comments I see from people all over talking about him and asking how can Chicago support such a person and make him Mayor and what a disgrace he is to our city and on and on!

Here's an answer - has to do with who the other running candidates are.

While anyone can claim some other person can do a better job than Rahm, it's really the other running candidates that people had to choose from. And Daley was not 1 of them. Daley did not run for election.

[oakparkdude]

Originally Posted by NealIRC

Here's an answer - has to do with who the other running candidates are.

While anyone can claim some other person can do a better job than Rahm, it's really the other running candidates that people had to choose from. And Daley was not 1 of them. Daley did not run for election.

Daley opted to not run for re-election because he knew that the next Mayor would be saddled with huge pension deficits incurred under him (Daley). In other words, Daley ran up the credit card debt, and left his successor to clean up the mess.

[prhill]

oakparkdude What does that have to do with the horrible job the Mayor has done and the crime issue in the South Side? The Mayor has done nothing in over a year now. We need trump to come in and fix it because he seems to care more than our own Mayor!

[NealIRC]

Originally Posted by prhill

oakparkdude What does that have to do with the horrible job the Mayor has done and the crime issue in the South Side? The Mayor has done nothing in over a year now. We need trump to come in and fix it because he seems to care more than our own Mayor!

So here's the reverse question - just before Bill Clinton left office, the national debt just started going down. And what has Bush done to stop that? The debt kept getting bigger and bigger. And then, Bush gave himself a raise. The president's salary at the time Bush came to office was 2xx,xxx/year and he essentially doubled it.