A few hundred reasons to allow concealed carry (Chicago, Justice: 2015, crime rates)

[Samiamnh]

[flamadiddle]

lol at the cold weather stat.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can legally carry now in Chicago unless explicitly stated otherwise (no guns allowed on entrance door or prohibited places like government buildings). It's an Illinois law that covers Chicago too. The Supreme Court corrected Chicago's handgun ban. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDona...ity_of_Chicago

I just wish Illinois allowed reciprocity with surrounding states so I didn't have to go through yet another application process. Just got my FOID card, now onto the Illinois CCW.

[chicagobear]

Originally Posted by flamadiddle

lol at the cold weather stat.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can legally carry now in Chicago unless explicitly stated otherwise (no guns allowed on entrance door). It's an Illinois law that covers Chicago too.

Yes, Illinois law controls now. You can carry concealed if you take a course and get a license.

[emathias]

Murder is one measure, but if you take violent crime overall - violent crimes being crimes where a gun might theoretically come in handy - Houston is significantly worse than Chicago for overall violent crime rates. Source

Just comparing murder rates is interesting trivia, but looking at the whole story, there really isn't support for your thesis that gun availability reduces violent crime.

P.S. I thought Chicago crime was a banned subject on this board?

[nana053]

Originally Posted by chicagobear

Yes, Illinois law controls now. You can carry concealed if you take a course and get a license.

Of course, in Chicago, unless you are planning to go into the dangerous neighborhoods, I don't see how carrying a gun either concealed or open carry actually helps.

Chicago's Deadly 2016: See It in 3 Charts | Time.com

A new study released Tuesday by the University of Chicago helps put those numbers in context. The report's authors find that while the number of murders jumped dramatically last year, the characteristics of those homicides were largely similar to 2015. "Most involved guns, occurred in public places, and stemmed from what police believe was some sort of altercation," the report states. The victims were mostly black and in their teens, while many of the suspects had prior arrest records. And increasingly, much of the violence occurred in just a handful of neighborhoods.

Houston's number of murders is about 1/2 of Chicago's, but

Houston 1 of 3 cities driving national murder rate higher,...

Houston's murder rate is on the rise year over year, and a recent study says Houston is one of three cities driving an increase in the nation's overall murder rate.

"Nationally, the murder rate is projected to increase 31.5 percent from 2014 to 2016 -- with half of
additional murders attributable to Baltimore, Chicago and Houston," the Brennan Center for Justice: Crime in 2016 Report stated.

In a news conference last week, Montalvo said that the majority of murders in Houston can be attributed to gang violence or domestic violence.

For Chicago, the guns being recovered at crime scenes are those with more firepower as well, so there will be more fatalities from those weapons.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by nana053

Of course, in Chicago, unless you are planning to go into the dangerous neighborhoods, I don't see how carrying a gun either concealed or open carry actually helps.

Chicago's Deadly 2016: See It in 3 Charts | Time.com



Houston's number of murders is about 1/2 of Chicago's, but

Houston 1 of 3 cities driving national murder rate higher,...





For Chicago, the guns being recovered at crime scenes are those with more firepower as well, so there will be more fatalities from those weapons.

more firepower? Explain please.

[emathias]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

more firepower? Explain please.

There have been reports that the police are finding more high-powered rifles than they used to, as opposed to, say, 9mm handguns.

[usamathman]

Originally Posted by emathias

Murder is one measure, but if you take violent crime overall - violent crimes being crimes where a gun might theoretically come in handy - Houston is significantly worse than Chicago for overall violent crime rates. Source

Just comparing murder rates is interesting trivia, but looking at the whole story, there really isn't support for your thesis that gun availability reduces violent crime.

P.S. I thought Chicago crime was a banned subject on this board?

OP is from new hampshire. Just another race baiting idiot looking to get things stirred up.

[James Bond 007]

This whole argument is really stupid. Most of the murders are gang-related murders, whose victims are typically highly targeted by other gang members. If you're not a gang member (or ex-gang member) you probably don't have much to worry about, so carrying a concealed gun with you isn't going to do you much good. If Chicago happens to have a worse homicide rate than Houston, probably has something to do with the relative activities of gangs in the two cities.

In fact, I'd be willing to bet that a majority of victims in both cities already did own at least one gun, and many of them probably were carrying one with them when they were killed.

[nana053]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

more firepower? Explain please.

Assault weapons play a familiar role in Chicago shootings | abc7chicago.com

So far in 2016, 96 assault weapons have been confiscated by police. More than 200 were collected in 2015. And there are many more still out there.

Some Chicago gangs turning to rifles for added firepower, police say - Chicago Tribune

[A bullet from a semi-automatic rifle can travel as fast as 3,200 feet per second, twice the speed from a handgun. That means wounds are more disabling, experts say.

Rifle bullets can tear through cars and other obstacles, including standard-issue bulletproof vests worn by Chicago police. Special "rifle plates" that can stop those rounds are issued to SWAT teams, and some officers on regular duty also buy them.