Reverse Migration from Chicago

[goofy328]

Interesting. There is such a thing as you get what you pay for. Meaning that the infrastructure people take for granted up North (high population density, high rise schools, large parks, subway, snow removal, etc) are either non existent down South, or not quite as they are up North. These things are changing obviously but it still remains a sore point for a lot of Northerners that are expecting the same urban jungles they were accustomed to in the South, and then want to complain about how everything is spread out down South.

Don't complain about high taxes on everything then go down South and things are different, but your taxes are lower. Don't complain about paying more down South, but you are paying less per square foot, or you are getting a better neighborhood than what you had up North (for the same amount of money). Don't complain because the county is the city, and the city is like, a thousand square miles. Just accept it and move on.

[valpofan11]

Originally Posted by usamathman

Dude,

You have been spewing the same low key racial b.s. in your last three posts. We get your point.

Blacks on south side...crime...no excuse....pick yourself up and do better. yada yada yada.

Same rhetoric. Getting old.

Then what are your suggestions to turn these places around? IMO, there's no reason to pick up a gun and shoot someone else, unless you're defending yourself.

[18436572]

Originally Posted by valpofan11

Not denying what you've stated, but blacks attack whites at disproportionate rates compared to the other way around. This rarely gets reported because it doesn't fit the "progressive" narrative. And blacks kill other blacks at much higher rates than whites kill blacks. Pretty simple.

This. It's much more dangerous to be white in a black neighborhood than vise versa. FBI crime stats back this up.

[nana053]

Originally Posted by valpofan11

People tend to self segregate. It's human nature. We tend to settle in tribes usually based on cultural, religious, class, and you guessed it, racial/ethnic lines. Just cause there aren't a ton of jobs on the south and west sides, is no excuse for a high violent crime rate and a high out of wedlock birth rate.

Only the people in the neighborhoods like Austin, Garfield Park, Roseland, Englewood, & Grand Crossing can make the greatest changes. If they want things to turn around, they will promote positive things and hopefully the culture changes.

The problem with this is that people truly cannot *pull themselves up by their bootstraps.*

The Bootstrap Myth: Climbing the Economic Ladder Takes More Than Hard Work | HowStuffWorks

Equal opportunity is alive for white Americans: Twenty-three percent of whites born in the lowest fifth of the income scale remain in the lowest fifth as adults, but 16 percent make it to the top fifth, close to the "ideal" of even distribution.

The story is bleaker for black Americans: Fifty percent of blacks born in the lowest fifth will stay there as adults, and only 3 percent will make it all the way to the top.

Your childhood neighborhood, in fact, is one of the strongest predictors of your long-term economic success. A paper out of Harvard University analyzed more than a decade of IRS data to show that growing up in a poor neighborhood greatly hampers economic mobility.

That's not too surprising — poorer neighborhoods have underperforming schools, fewer job opportunities, etc. — but the data revealed that a child's prospects worsen each year he stays in a bad neighborhood. The earlier a child's family moves to even a slightly better place, the better that child's income prospects as an adult. Even younger siblings outperform their older brothers and sisters because they spend fewer years in a poor neighborhood.

When we think about this myth, we remember the Horatio Alger stories, but they were not so simple as working hard and being honest getting a boy into the middle class. In every one of his stories, the boy was given a hand up by the person he helped. So even in these stories, it was not about pulling oneself up without other's help.

[usamathman]

Originally Posted by valpofan11

Then what are your suggestions to turn these places around? IMO, there's no reason to pick up a gun and shoot someone else, unless you're defending yourself.

Originally Posted by 18436572

This. It's much more dangerous to be white in a black neighborhood than vise versa. FBI crime stats back this up.

What do either of these comments have to do with the topic of the thread?

Nothing.

You two should get a life and stop obsessing over a group of people you have nothing to do with.

[valpofan11]

Originally Posted by nana053

The problem with this is that people truly cannot *pull themselves up by their bootstraps.*

The Bootstrap Myth: Climbing the Economic Ladder Takes More Than Hard Work | HowStuffWorks





When we think about this myth, we remember the Horatio Alger stories, but they were not so simple as working hard and being honest getting a boy into the middle class. In every one of his stories, the boy was given a hand up by the person he helped. So even in these stories, it was not about pulling oneself up without other's help.

What do you suggest people/government doing then?

[valpofan11]

Originally Posted by usamathman

What do either of these comments have to do with the topic of the thread?

Nothing.

You two should get a life and stop obsessing over a group of people you have nothing to do with.

What are your suggestions for solving the problems in Chicago?

[nana053]

Originally Posted by valpofan11

What do you suggest people/government doing then?

Give people a hand up. It's not rocket science.

1. We need to get jobs into poor neighborhoods.
2. We need to help kids get a good education.
3. We need to get kids internships that mentor them and show them how to get out of the despair and poverty they are in.

It looks like the city is planning to try a few things. They need a real comprehensive plan though.

How to stop guns, gangs and poverty? Chicago seeks solutions after violent 2016 - Chicago Tribune

In September, there was the launch of Chicago Trend, a for-profit development organization that aims to lure stable investment, including big chains, to marginal neighborhoods, relying in part on deep data dives on the buying power that could be capitalized, according to the organization.

Chase Bank announced in October it would fund $3.5 million in micro-loans and other efforts to draw retail — and the jobs that come with it — to distressed areas.

I would love to see something like Kiva set up to capitalize those who would actually start businesses in their neighborhoods.

[CGab]

Originally Posted by nana053

Give people a hand up. It's not rocket science.

1. We need to get jobs into poor neighborhoods.
2. We need to help kids get a good education.
3. We need to get kids internships that mentor them and show them how to get out of the despair and poverty they are in.

It looks like the city is planning to try a few things. They need a real comprehensive plan though.

How to stop guns, gangs and poverty? Chicago seeks solutions after violent 2016 - Chicago Tribune



I would love to see something like Kiva set up to capitalize those who would actually start businesses in their neighborhoods.

It starts in the home. Too many single parents not around for their children. Parents not teaching their children right from wrong. Parents not teaching their children to stay in school and then get a job. Instead kids are running the streets doing what they want, gang banging, stealing, killing and selling drugs. It starts at home!

[Ivory Lee Spurlock]

I would imagine Southern culture is prevalent thru out much of Chicago just as it is thru out much of Dee-Troit, Michigan.