Utterly amazing what's going on in a town literally everybody is abandoning (Chicago: condo, crime)

[Chicago South Sider]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

Frankly, impoverished people leaving the city is probably on average a VERY positive development for them and a positive development for the city as well.

Some people see the negative in everything!

Yet another clueless poster. Why are there so many around here?

[jonnynonos]

Originally Posted by Chicago South Sider

Yet another clueless poster. Why are there so many around here?

If you want to be more specific, I could answer your questions on my point of view. Re: the part you clipped, it is my opinion that ghettos are bad.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by edsg25

We do know that everybody (and I do mean literally everybody) is abandoning Chicago whose population is heading for "0" by the next decade (although that figure may be a bit conservative and the drop much lower) long before.....gasp!!....Houston passed us up as the third largest city.

So isn't it amazing how many megaprojections are being planned in what is basically a ghost town?

No little plans: More than $20 billion of megaprojects in Chicago's pipeline - Chicago Tribune

It's nice to see the plans but I find it very disconcerting that there's nothing west of 1800 or south of 2900, and even there there's only two projects respectively, both of hospital sites. That means all the development is clustered in the Emerald City. Where's the manufacturing development that is going to bring jobs to the South and West sides?

[Chicago South Sider]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

If you want to be more specific, I could answer your questions on my point of view. Re: the part you clipped, it is my opinion that ghettos are bad.

You missed the point. People of all income levels are leaving Chicago, not just the poor ones. Those are the facts. I'm not really interested in your point of view.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...404-story.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...925-story.html

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/chica...-middle-class/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...511-story.html

[NOLA101]

Originally Posted by Chicago South Sider

Yet another clueless poster. Why are there so many around here?

It's kind of incredible that people keep parroting the fakenews that the people leaving Chicago are poor, and so the population loss is good, when the Census clearly indicates that Chicago is losing the middle class and keeping the poor.

Poverty in Chicago is actually slightly higher than 20 year ago.

But I suspect a lot of people don't care, they A. Want to keep the fakenews going and B. Don't really mind if black people are leaving, regardless of socioeconomics. Chicago is actually losing whites too and basically stagnant in terms of Hispanics and Asians (which is absurd, given that these are the growth categories in the U.S.) but this is never mentioned.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

Good grief, who cares.

Frankly, impoverished people leaving the city is probably on average a VERY positive development for them and a positive development for the city as well.

Some people see the negative in everything!

Well, I think the issue's a little more complex than that. True, poor people take out more resources than they put in. So if you look at it from a pure dollars and cents perspective, the fewer poor people the better.

Now, that being said, you have to ask yourself why we have so many poor people. And the answer to that is we've completely neglected manufacturing and general economic development on the south and west sides. We haven't attracted good paying jobs that people who do not have college educations can work.

I mean, sure, we've done a fantastic job attracting high-paying professional jobs. But we've left a good percentage of our City in the dust.

So I think you and I would agree that we should want to reduce the amount of poor people. But I say that we do that through higher-paying jobs in our low-opportunity areas, not by starving them out of the City and into the south suburbs or wherever else everyone's hoping they'll disappear to.

[jonnynonos]

Originally Posted by Chicago South Sider

You missed the point. People of all income levels are leaving Chicago, not just the poor ones. Those are the facts. I'm not really interested in your point of view.

Millionaires are leaving Chicago, report says - Chicago Tribune

Why wealthy blacks are leaving Chicago for the South - Chicago Tribune

Chicago

Chicago area's middle class shrinking, report finds - Chicago Tribune

Wrong. In aggregate, Chicago lost approximately 8K people last year; it is a well-established fact that the exodus over the last decade has primarily been African Americans fleeing some of the country's worst neighborhoods.

The net loss is likely the result of lower urban growth in general across the country and more specifically lower Mexican immigration.

Chicago only major U.S. city to lose population from 2015 to 2016 - Chicago Tribune

None of this affects quality of life for anyone anywhere or has had a meaningful impact on the character of the city.

It's a big pile of nothing.

[jonnynonos]

Originally Posted by BRU67

Well, I think the issue's a little more complex than that. True, poor people take out more resources than they put in. So if you look at it from a pure dollars and cents perspective, the fewer poor people the better.

Now, that being said, you have to ask yourself why we have so many poor people. And the answer to that is we've completely neglected manufacturing and general economic development on the south and west sides. We haven't attracted good paying jobs that people who do not have college educations can work.

I mean, sure, we've done a fantastic job attracting high-paying professional jobs. But we've left a good percentage of our City in the dust.

So I think you and I would agree that we should want to reduce the amount of poor people. But I say that we do that through higher-paying jobs in our low-opportunity areas, not by starving them out of the City and into the south suburbs or wherever else everyone's hoping they'll disappear to.

The population loss is overwhelmingly due to African Americans leaving poor neighborhoods.

We are all entitled to our own opinions. If an African American friend said to me they were getting the hell out of Englewood or Austin and leaving to go raise their children somewhere else, my response would be: "Sounds like a good idea."

This is hardly anything new. Every ethnicity in the country has fled the ghettos when they had the chance. As a guy online once wrote, it's easy to be nostalgic about the Bronx in movies; I'm sure Chazz Palminteri is quite happy to be at his farm in Westchester.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

The population loss is overwhelmingly due to African Americans leaving poor neighborhoods.

We are all entitled to our own opinions. If an African American friend said to me they were getting the hell out of Englewood or Austin and leaving to go raise their children somewhere else, my response would be: "Sounds like a good idea."

This is hardly anything new. Every ethnicity in the country has fled the ghettos when they had the chance. As a guy online once wrote, it's easy to be nostalgic about the Bronx in movies; I'm sure Chazz Palminteri is quite happy to be at his farm in Westchester.

And if a white friend said they were getting the hell out of Logan Square and leaving to go raise their kids in Naperville, you'd say?

[NealIRC]

So basically, with these new constructions, Chicago's loosing poorer Whites, and keeping the richer Whites?