Chicago Mayoral Race - 2019 (The Official Thread) (racist, mayor)

[Grlzrl]

Originally Posted by aga412

Lightfoot has a few good ideas (limiting red light cameras, mayoral term limits) against a whole smattering of bad ones (her campaign page and interview responses overuse the adjective "progressive" with the likes of which I have not seen).

Sure, a Lightfoot victory would be one against "the machine," but she would merely replace the old machine with a new one, full of her progressive ilk. Preckwinkle would be a total disaster and Lightfoot would certainly be transformative... though she would likely want to "transform" Chicago into a "liberal utopia" a la Portland and San Francisco, neither of which have aaaaaaaaaaany problems whatsoever...

I'm not even entertaining the TDS directed at me above. I still don't think there was any real examples of Trump's fascism cited up there.

Not even sure WHAT that was all about.

[aga412]

Originally Posted by Grlzrl

Not even sure WHAT that was all about.

Eh, threads get off topic. And on occasion take a turn for the very, very bizarre.

[chicagobear]

Originally Posted by aga412

Lightfoot has a few good ideas (limiting red light cameras, mayoral term limits) against a whole smattering of bad ones (her campaign page and interview responses overuse the adjective "progressive" with the likes of which I have not seen before).

Sure, a Lightfoot victory would be one against "the machine," but she would merely replace the old machine with a new one, full of her progressive ilk. Preckwinkle would be a total disaster and Lightfoot would certainly be transformative... though she would likely want to "transform" Chicago into a "liberal utopia" a la Portland and San Francisco, neither of which have aaaaaaaaaaany problems whatsoever...

I'm not even entertaining the TDS directed at me above. I still don't think there was any real examples of Trump's fascism cited up there.

I don't know what her financial positions are. I don't think there is much room to raise property taxes or sales taxes given where they are already, so spending will need to be cut, which is typically not on the "progressive" agenda. At least she is not as beholden to the unions as Preckwinkle.

[fusillirob1983]

Originally Posted by chicagobear

I don't know what her financial positions are. I don't think there is much room to raise property taxes or sales taxes given where they are already, so spending will need to be cut, which is typically not on the "progressive" agenda. At least she is not as beholden to the unions as Preckwinkle.

Right. At this point there's two choices. A machine politician and an outsider. I guess choice 3 is to note vote.

[aga412]

Originally Posted by chicagobear

I don't know what her financial positions are. I don't think there is much room to raise property taxes or sales taxes given where they are already, so spending will need to be cut, which is typically not on the "progressive" agenda. At least she is not as beholden to the unions as Preckwinkle.

This is true, but many interviews cite her wanting to seek out "progressive revenue sources" for the city. How that doesn't translate into some sort of tax I don't know. She does back the IL constitution amendment for a progressive income tax.

I know, I'm surprised I know anything about her considering I'm not informed.

[Hiruko]

Originally Posted by SkylarkPhotoBooth

I raise their identity because it is important. A city that is 1/6th white males didn't need it's 55th white male mayor out of 57, and we (WE, people who actually reside and vote in Chicago, not you) sure as holy effing ****e didn't need another Daley. Are you kidding? Several decades of one family ruling a city and bankrupting it are enough.

Who cares about whether or not a candidate is a white male? A white male is capable of being sensitive and attuned to the needs of a diverse community, you know. Lightfoot is a black lesbian married to a white woman. Is she really more representative of Chicago, if you want to go down that road? Bill Daley should not be saddled with his family's reputation. Chicago has a weak-mayor system anyway. Emanuel is the best mayor Chicago has had in modern times. Yet, you people want to run him out of town. He would be welcomed back to the North Shore with open arms.

[aga412]

Originally Posted by Hiruko

Who cares about whether or not a candidate is a white male? A white male is capable of being sensitive and attuned to the needs of a diverse community, you know. Lightfoot is a black lesbian married to a white woman. Is she really more representative of Chicago, if you want to go down that road? Bill Daley should not be saddled with his family's reputation. Chicago has a weak-mayor system anyway. Emanuel is the best mayor Chicago has had in modern times. Yet, you people want to run him out of town. He would be welcomed back to the North Shore with open arms.

I see you're unfamiliar with the rules of the "Intersectionality and Identity Politics" game where superficial characteristics outweigh real-world experience.

[sirrob]

Preck is going to win it.

[BRU67]

I think it'll depend on who gets out the vote and, importantly, endorsements. Poor African American wards favored Wilson by a large margin, and Preck did well enough in those wards to carry her over Daley, who undoubtedly lost conservative votes to Joyce (and Vallas and McCarthy). However, if Wilson comes out for Lightfoot, I could easily see those wards sway to her favor.

Conservatives are not particularly good at strategic voting or selecting the lesser of evils. Very self-righteous group, which is why they helped give the Governor's Mansion to JB by refusing to vote for a Republican who supported abortion rights and let trans-gendered people use the restrooms. So those Joyce/Daley wards on the NW and SW sides will probably have very low turnout, if I had to guess, to the point of perhaps being a non-factor.

The gentrified and gentrifying neighborhoods will pull solid for Lightfoot, as they did on Tuesday. Her story just pushes the right progressive buttons, and these folks vote. Preckwinkle will take her south shore wards that she won on Tuesday. The Hispanic wards were pretty close between these two so, again, this might fall to endorsements.

One thing's for sure, it'll be interesting!

[aga412]

Originally Posted by BRU67

Conservatives are not particularly good at strategic voting or selecting the lesser of evils. Very self-righteous group, which is why they helped give the Governor's Mansion to JB by refusing to vote for a Republican who supported abortion rights and let trans-gendered people use the restrooms.

So true - which is why I feel like I can never totally fall in line with those folks. They don't think pragmatically at all and would rather stand on their moral high horses and allow someone who has *mild* tendencies they dislike (I wouldn't go around calling Rauner the biggest trans advocate/abortion advocate out there) to lose and then allow someone with much more extreme views on both subjects sail into office.

Ives' self-serving primary challenge didn't help matters either. Heresy by Illinois conservative standards, but I can't stand her for this reason.

Very true that Republicans/conservatives will be a non-factor, I don't think any candidate really appeals to either of them too much and will ultimately stay home. It's tough to say - the lemmings will be out in full force for Preckwinkle, but the gentrified areas will be solid Lightfoot (as despite what Toni says, she certainly isn't "hip" to those people).