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Old 12-19-2018, 11:35 AM
 
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Arizona and Florida also have a high concentration of retirees, which means a lot of the people who have money aren't currently earning it. This ranking says nothing about household wealth-- it's strictly about current annual earned incomes.
I know, it was sarcasm.
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Old 12-19-2018, 11:59 AM
 
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I live in Cabrini Green as one of those households mentioned in the article... do you want me to shower my posts with unicorns and rainbow kisses? Wtf is your problem man
I know you would not.... Give us rainbows and unicorns about Chicago's great things too. Again.... You remain in Chicago and if a Professional? You can choose a better city if you want. Sorry if you are not and feeling getting priced out. Gentrification isn't stopping. But again, no one doubts two Chicago's. Nor anything is getting cheaper. But if you read thru other major city threads? You find same issues.... taxes rising and rents etc.

Some run with the negatives alone .... some maintain positives on their city... if by choice especially. To Shower ... should eliminate any personal problem I'd say too.

Best to stay clean .... that kind of showering yes... and no problems to alert others too in your ID .....

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Old 12-19-2018, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Chi 'burbs=>Tucson=>Naperville=>Chicago
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Car-centric (read, newer) cities will not be able to support the population influxes they are getting by any other way except sprawl. Yuck.

The sheer expense of retro-fitting an efficient public transportation system (trains, subways) in a newer city is nearly impossible, at least not without such significant cost that the city/state will have no choice but to raise taxes to support it. That's even if it's structurally possible.

So what will happen to these cities? 1) some infill will occur to try to urbanize and bring people to the downtown. But these people will likely not want to get rid of their cars. So they will have to walk to work, or still drive, causing even more horrific traffic than they already have (you listening Austin?) and/or 2) they will attempt to put in some tram system to accommodate a small percentage of what they need - it will help a little, and it will cost taxpayers.

Neither of these solutions will be better than what older cities already have. A fully developed, urban rapid transit system that people actually use.

My point? Places like Arizona and Florida and even Texas are going to run into this as people keep flocking there. And unless you live way out in the exurbs and don't care to be near a city, you won't be able to replicate what you have in a New York, Boston, Chicago, etc. You'll be warmer, though.
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Old 12-19-2018, 04:15 PM
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My point? Places like Arizona and Florida and even Texas are going to run into this as people keep flocking there. And unless you live way out in the exurbs and don't care to be near a city, you won't be able to replicate what you have in a New York, Boston, Chicago, etc. You'll be warmer, though.
There are two flaws in your assessment. #1 you believe cities in AZ, TX and FL have to replicate NYC, Chicago and Boston. This is a horrible mindset. It’s exactly why some people relocate from NYC and think Chicago sucks. These people expect NYC in Chicago, instead of appreciating the qualities that make Chicago different from NYC. All cities have pros and cons. People should appreciate different areas of the country for what they offer, instead of expecting them to be like fill in the city. You like walking and someone else may like driving. It’s okay to have different tastes.

#2 All of the cities in TX, FL and AZ have plenty of room to become more dense at the core if their growing populations demand it without requiring mass transportation.
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Old 12-20-2018, 02:53 AM
 
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I know, it was sarcasm.
I was responding to a different poster, and making an additional point, but good to know.
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Old 12-20-2018, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Chi 'burbs=>Tucson=>Naperville=>Chicago
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There are two flaws in your assessment. #1 you believe cities in AZ, TX and FL have to replicate NYC, Chicago and Boston. This is a horrible mindset. It’s exactly why some people relocate from NYC and think Chicago sucks. These people expect NYC in Chicago, instead of appreciating the qualities that make Chicago different from NYC. All cities have pros and cons. People should appreciate different areas of the country for what they offer, instead of expecting them to be like fill in the city. You like walking and someone else may like driving. It’s okay to have different tastes.

#2 All of the cities in TX, FL and AZ have plenty of room to become more dense at the core if their growing populations demand it without requiring mass transportation.
Some people want to replicate the bigger eastern cities, and some don't.

The point is, don't expect it to be the same.

Expect much more car reliance.

Sure, plenty of room for more infill. Never said there wasn't. But these booming cities all have horrible traffic problems, and without train systems, they will just get worse as they continue to boom. I couldn't even imagine Chicago without trains. It would be a nightmare.
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