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Old Today, 01:20 PM
 
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It is fine for some to see maybe East Garfield getting gentrified with West Garfield much longer to a less prospect? Still lot of Chicago gentrification follows Hispanic first areas. That is one thing that sets Chicago aside from many. Seemed it was much easier and faster for a Hispanic changed ethnicity neighborhood to see gentrification then a predominately African-American one seen with more hood-crime.
I've noticed this pattern as well, and what usually pre-exist is an already sizable white non-hispanic population, as well as being very EL transit-friendly and stable infrastructure. Logan Square had a sizable 26% white non-hispanic demographic as of the 2000 census. Today, it has done a 180, as a 2019 estimate has it at over 50% white and 39% hispanic(down from 65% during the 2000 census). It will take longer for a neighborhood like Pilsen to shift from being a vastly majority hispanic community because of how entrenched the Mexican culture permeates the community and there is a sense of at least preserving that culture, and neighboring Little Village has a white non-hispanic population at only 4% (almost unchanging during 2000-2018), and driving through 26th St feels like a slice of literally being in Mexico.

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Old Today, 01:39 PM
 
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The hyping of the US with the worst Ghettos in the Western World whether so and true for size and scope.... also has many factors these other Nations DID NOT ENDURE. Illegal immigration to severe segregation and business/real estate practices that with White-Flight lead to these so called Ghettos that ONCE THE US HAD AS WHITE..... IRISH, ITALIAN and JEWISH GHETTOS to name some.

Ghettos and Slums are different. Many cities of the world get the term SLUMS. Why..... slums were built to be such by the poorest of the city even built by them.

It would be like if homeless rather then tents.... built shacks of whatever could be found that become a permanent location to live and actually a neighborhood onto itself.

8 of the World's largest slums.
https://www.usnews.com/news/cities/a...-largest-slums

A UN definition of a Slum as the term Ghetto is not a synonym.

- a. Slums – An expert group meeting was convened in 2002 by UN-Habitat, the United Nations Statistics
Division and the Cities Alliance to agree on an operational definition for slums to be used for measuring the
indicator of MDG 7 Target 7.D. The agreed definition classified a ‘slum household’ as one in which the
inhabitants suffer one or more of the following ‘household deprivations’:
1. Lack of access to improved water source,
2. Lack of access to improved sanitation facilities,
3. Lack of sufficient living area,
4. Lack of housing durability and,
5. Lack of security of tenure

To claim a Ghetto in a US city where housing was not built inadequately and not built to be a home for the poorest, still has running water and sewers, not even like the old tenements of old of NYC, housing is durable till neglect and the elements are allowed to deteriorate it.... etc. These ghettos are FAR From the worst of living conditions of the worlds slums totally built to be such.

So despite being high gangland crime etc. These ghettos are not nearly as deprived as true slums to say they are the WORST IN THE WORLD...... Even the notorious failed Housing Projects were decent housing by far vs a slum. Just crime, hood rats, druggies, thugs etc. caused a environment not intended for poorer citizens to have adequate housing that for the most part by far .... they did.


The OUT is always... oh compared to other WESTERN Nations.... THE BAD US is WORST. Well we did grow this under-class by lose of low-skilled jobs that once paid decent like in manufacturing from areas of where these ghettos were to develop and WERE NOT SUCH ORIGINALLY. Retail exited. Redlining by real estate and Block-Busting illegal scare tactics FUELED THE DECLINES by White-Flight also intense.

So these are things a CANADA in Racial strife etc.... did not have as the US and on two-fronts, its African-American population and Hispanic. Hispanic with a HIGH number as ILLEGALS and that ILLEGAL TOTAL is MORE then ALL Canada's Population. A Australia did not have anything near it also. A Europe far less in the past but has experienced more since migrations from some Nations of poor created more a sense of their own high-crime Ghettos also.

If the BOAST is US WORST... so be it. This thread is ON ONE NEIGHBORHOOD IN CHICAGO THAT ONE DAY WILL NOT BE A GHETTO PROBABLY. Slums generally have low hope unless totally replaced.

Cities of housing a HUGE PREMIUM will have less chance a Ghetto develop or remain. Those booming with new residents will have a greater chance a ghetto area will shrink. NYC and say a Boston has seen this how Gentrification in a larger and larger % of a city decreases ghettos of old and effects crime %'s then.

It is fine for some to see maybe East Garfield getting gentrified with West Garfield much longer to a less prospect? Still lot of Chicago gentrification follows Hispanic first areas. That is one thing that sets Chicago aside from many. Seemed it was much easier and faster for a Hispanic changed ethnicity neighborhood to see gentrification then a predominately African-American one seen with more hood-crime.
The worst neighborhoods in Chicago have very low illegal immigration population. Immigrants, including illegal immigrants commit crime at a lower rate than native born. Immigrants of the illegal nature aren't what's making our worst hoods the worst. You can deport every illegal immigrant in America and our bad hoods will still be much worse than any hood in Canada, Belgium, Japan, or any first world country.
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Old Today, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Chicago, Little Village
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The ghettos in America are much worse than any ghetto in any other developed country that I've seen. The poorest and worst neighborhoods in Toronto, Montreal, Amsterdam, Sydney, are nothing compared to our ghettos. Do you think their policing is much more aggressive than ours? We incarcerate at a much higher rate.
I don't know about that. I've been to Rio di Janeiro and the Favelas are worse than what we have here. And the outskirts of Moscow and Bucharest are pretty bad too. I've seen those as well. A lot of Eastern European countries have Gypsy ghettos just outside the urban centers. As NoHyping said, these are literally communities assembled with any crap that people could find lying around. Comparatively, our hoods are nice, in a relative sense.
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Old Today, 02:07 PM
 
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I don't know about that. I've been to Rio di Janeiro and the Favelas are worse than what we have here. And the outskirts of Moscow and Bucharest are pretty bad too. I've seen those as well. A lot of Eastern European countries have Gypsy ghettos just outside the urban centers. As NoHyping said, these are literally communities assembled with any crap that people could find lying around. Comparatively, our hoods are nice, in a relative sense.
I wouldn't consider any of those countries first world industrialized nations, not by any stretch.
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