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Old 05-11-2021, 01:48 PM
 
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Sorry Don. Yeah, I was talking about the activists, and many of our fellow Chicagoans who live in safer neighborhoods and complain about the situation in our most violent areas. Not the investors.
There's a flip side to that also. Concentrating extremely poor people and chronically unemployed into one neighborhood is a recipe for disaster. Spreading them out would lessen the problems. Problem is nobody wants them to live in their neighborhood so they cram them into a few neighborhoods then complain "why is there so much violence" Gee, I wonder what happens when you put together people that nobody wants to live with into a few areas. Let's stick rivaling gangs into neighborhoods right next to each other.
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Old 05-11-2021, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Chicago, Little Village
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So when did you live in Garfield Park?
Never. I drive through pretty much every day, and use public transit going through it at times when I need to head north. Not interested.
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Old 05-11-2021, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Chicago, Little Village
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There's a flip side to that also. Concentrating extremely poor people and chronically unemployed into one neighborhood is a recipe for disaster. Spreading them out would lessen the problems. Problem is nobody wants them to live in their neighborhood so they cram them into a few neighborhoods then complain "why is there so much violence" Gee, I wonder what happens when you put together people that nobody wants to live with into a few areas. Let's stick rivaling gangs into neighborhoods right next to each other.
The whole idea behind Section 8 vouchers is that people who are receiving Federal housing assistance will rent market apartments in higher opportunity areas. But this hasn't worked out in practice. Wealthier suburbs tend to have restrictive zoning with fewer rentals available, and/or rentals which are in high demand and thus allow landlords to be more discriminate.

The result has been that vouchers have remained concentrated, which has led to an answer to the question you pose, and it hasn't been good for south suburbs and other low income City neighborhoods where those individuals have moved.

On this score, I think affordable housing set-asides for new projects should apply to housing developments in affluent suburbs and not just in the City. Why do projects in the City need to have 20% or more affordable units while suburban developments completely escape that? If the goal is to provide housing in higher opportunity areas for the marginally incomed, then this needs to change.
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Old 05-11-2021, 02:57 PM
 
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The whole idea behind Section 8 vouchers is that people who are receiving Federal housing assistance will rent market apartments in higher opportunity areas. But this hasn't worked out in practice. Wealthier suburbs tend to have restrictive zoning with fewer rentals available, and/or rentals which are in high demand and thus allow landlords to be more discriminate.

The result has been that vouchers have remained concentrated, which has led to an answer to the question you pose, and it hasn't been good for south suburbs and other low income City neighborhoods where those individuals have moved.

On this score, I think affordable housing set-asides for new projects should apply to housing developments in affluent suburbs and not just in the City. Why do projects in the City need to have 20% or more affordable units while suburban developments completely escape that? If the goal is to provide housing in higher opportunity areas for the marginally incomed, then this needs to change.
It's not just section 8, it's homeless shelters, clinics for the mentally ill, and drug rehab centers. They concentrated them in Uptown and what happened? Now they're sending them all to the west side instead of spreading them around. California has the same problem. They wanted to build a homeless shelter but nobody wants it in their neighborhood so now the homeless camp on the streets.
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Old 05-11-2021, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Chicago, Little Village
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It's not just section 8, it's homeless shelters, clinics for the mentally ill, and drug rehab centers. They concentrated them in Uptown and what happened? Now they're sending them all to the west side instead of spreading them around. California has the same problem. They wanted to build a homeless shelter but nobody wants it in their neighborhood so now the homeless camp on the streets.
Society needs to share in correcting these issues. The problem is longstanding social pathologies, a certain social rot and culture of violence and misogyny which has been allowed and even nourished by political leadership (using the term loosely) and the media for decades. Today, few will even dare acknowledge this, much less initiate any real steps to address it.
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Old 05-11-2021, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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On this score, I think affordable housing set-asides for new projects should apply to housing developments in affluent suburbs and not just in the City. Why do projects in the City need to have 20% or more affordable units while suburban developments completely escape that? If the goal is to provide housing in higher opportunity areas for the marginally incomed, then this needs to change.
Sorry, we have no obligation to adopt your city's stupid social programs that exacerbate the problems they purport to solve, piled one on top of another in a negative feedback loop that compound to make the suburbs the much more attractive option they typically are.
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Old 05-11-2021, 06:43 PM
 
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Sorry, we have no obligation to adopt your city's stupid social programs that exacerbate the problems they purport to solve, piled one on top of another in a negative feedback loop that compound to make the suburbs the much more attractive option they typically are.
Section 8 is a federal program.
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Old 05-11-2021, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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Section 8 is a federal program.
Nothing to do with the post I responded to.
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Old 05-11-2021, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Chicago, Little Village
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Sorry, we have no obligation to adopt your city's stupid social programs that exacerbate the problems they purport to solve, piled one on top of another in a negative feedback loop that compound to make the suburbs the much more attractive option they typically are.
As said, Section 8 is a federal program, and certain suburbs have been bearing a disproportionate number of vouchers for years. I will bet your suburb receives Federal money, and also money from the state. And disproportionately benefits from our unconstitutional property tax funded educational system. Wealthy suburbs need to start sharing this, which theoretically should not be a problem since more and more Chicagoland suburbs are voting for progressive politicians. Time to belly up to the fair housing bar, as the saying goes.

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Old 05-11-2021, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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As said, Section 8 is a federal program, and certain suburbs have been bearing a disproportionate number of vouchers for years. I will bet your suburb receives Federal money, and also money from the state. Wealthy suburbs need to start sharing this, which theoretically should not be a problem since more and more Chicagoland suburbs are voting for progressive politicians. Time to belly up to the fair housing bar, as the saying goes.
Again, I'm not talking about Section 8 as the post I responded to made no mention of it. I was responding to your "affordable housing" set-asides that make "market-rate" housing more expensive, which in turn increases the demand for "affordable housing," until you eventually have a virtual bifurcation in the housing market like you see in the city today.

We already have affordable housing out here in the suburbs, and you don't have to live in a marginal neighborhood to afford it either.
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