03-04-2009, 09:07 AM
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The Bears were 9-6 in 2008 in games Orton started. 2-1 in 2007. 10-5 in 2005.
The Bears will always be mediocre with Orton at the helm. He represents "settling", and not really striving for any sort of future greatness. Being 9-6 in the hapless NFC North represents mediocrity. Jerry Angelo should be fired (or the McCaskey's should open their pocket books).
03-04-2009, 09:15 AM
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The Bears were 9-6 in 2008 in games Orton started. 2-1 in 2007. 10-5 in 2005.
Yes, although you can't pin all of a team's successes (or its failures, for that matter), on the performance of the QB. Green Bay's 6-10 record was largely the result of the collapse of their defense during the second half of the season. Rodgers' performance was superior to Orton's.
Rodgers: 28 TDs, 13 INTs, QB rating of 93.8 (third best in the NFC)
Orton: 18 TDs, 12 INTs, QB rating of 79.6 (thirteenth in the NFC)
Granted, Orton was injured, but he still started 15 out of 16 games, certainly not enough to account for the disparity in performance.
Having said that, it's certainly possible to win a Super Bowl without a dominant QB. The best, most recent examples include the 2002 Tampa Bay team with Brad Johnson and the 2000 Baltimore Ravens with Trent Dilfer, both of which had punishing defenses.
But one need look no further than the Steelers this year to see how defense can
supersede dominant QB play (questionable calls in the Super Bowl aside). Rothlisberger's regular season stats weren't so different from Orton's...17 TD's, 15 INT's, and a QB rating of 80.1.
The bottom line is that if the Bears' defense can return to its dominance of a couple years ago, a Super Bowl berth with Orton at the helm is certainly plausible. Unfortunately for them, some of their key defensive players are getting a little long in the tooth and/or are battling injuries. Plus their problems on the O-line need to be addressed...you can have Orton throwing to Steve Smith, Andre Johnson, and Larry Fitzgerald, but if he's on his back for most of the game, it's still tough to score.
03-04-2009, 09:23 AM
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...Being 9-6 in the hapless NFC North represents mediocrity...
Thus being 6-10 (The Packers) in the NFC North means your team sucks.
03-04-2009, 09:29 AM
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... Rodgers' performance was superior to Orton's.
The Packers WR's are far superior to the Bears. They do not drop the amount of passes that the Bears WR's do. That is the main reason for the difference in stats.
03-04-2009, 09:29 AM
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Being 6-10 (The Packers) in the NFC North means your team sucks.
Any team that can't win the NFC North sucks. This is a division that saw the Lions go winless, and the eventual-champion Vikings display an offense so one-dimensional a high school coach could have developed a sound game plan against them.
Although I think the Vikings aren't that far from being a really good team, especially now that the T.Jackson experiment seems to be over. They still have a sound defense and the best RB in the NFL. Tough combination.
03-04-2009, 09:34 AM
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Yes, the Vikings clearly are the front runners. However, how good can a team be when they wear purple? j/k as the Ravens are purty darn good but they sport mostly black opposed to all that purple jazz that the Vikes wear. Seriously though, the Vikings are supreme choke artists and have never won anything. Even if they somehow got Cutler over Rosenfels, I still think they'd find a way to choke down the stretch like they usually do.
03-04-2009, 09:36 AM
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The Packers WR's are far superior to the Bears. They do not drop the amount of passes that the Bears WR's do. That is the main reason for the difference in stats.
Although I think the Packers' receivers are superior, they tend to drop their fair share of passes.
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03-04-2009, 12:55 PM
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Thus being 6-10 (The Packers) in the NFC North means your team sucks.
Yep, they sucked it up last year. But Rodgers sure looks promising! In spite of the bad record, I have to say I like our future prospects. Meanwhile, the Bears are showing no hope of improvement, and seem to be a team on the decline. They'll have to get very lucky in the draft to turn it around (and you just never know what treasures may pop up from the lower rounds).
03-04-2009, 12:57 PM
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The Packers WR's are far superior to the Bears. They do not drop the amount of passes that the Bears WR's do. That is the main reason for the difference in stats.
The Packer's wide receivers are better. And so is their quarterback. The rest of the team?
Well, maybe the secondary is somewhat decent...
My money is on the Vikings this season.
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I'd still have to pick the Packers. Rodgers does look to be a very good QB pretty soon. The secondary is alledgedly really good (though they looked pretty weak at times, especially against New Orleans). I don't think the Vikings are all that good, and I'm still not too impressed with Peterson as a running back. He gets bottled up at the line too easily, doesn't seem to effectively make the first guy miss.
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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