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Old 05-18-2023, 08:41 AM
 
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https://www.fox32chicago.com/video/1222452


Damn. This hurts. We really will drop down to 4th in a decade or so....
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Old 05-18-2023, 09:49 AM
 
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https://www.fox32chicago.com/video/1222452


Damn. This hurts. We really will drop down to 4th in a decade or so....
I am surprised the number is not higher. Bet it will be now though
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Old 05-18-2023, 12:48 PM
 
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Geez that seems like a lot of bodies. Not to mention a few tax dollars you won't see. Sure, hope someday your gov lowers those taxes. But I suppose there's about as much likelihood that will happen as me winning 40 million in a lottery.
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Old 05-19-2023, 10:10 AM
 
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Reported by Fox News. Show us the incoming number of people. This is for Illinois, not Chicago but still.

https://news.wttw.com/2022/05/23/aft...ly-gained-250k
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Old 05-19-2023, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Chicago, Tri-Taylor
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Reported by Fox News. Show us the incoming number of people. This is for Illinois, not Chicago but still.

https://news.wttw.com/2022/05/23/aft...ly-gained-250k
Stop it! The narrative is that people from IL and Chicago are flocking to Florida and Texas.

FYI, that's WTTW, not Fox News. Fox News would never report this, LOL!

Anyway, we've definitely got some problems in our state, and city. But these population "loss" and "gain" numbers are often exaggerated or manipulated to serve a given narrative, and should be taken with a grain or three of salt.
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Old 05-19-2023, 12:11 PM
 
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Census hasn't down a count since 2020, so not sure how they would know if Chicago lost 80K people. This seems more like a guess than an actual count,
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Old 05-19-2023, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Chicago, Tri-Taylor
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Census hasn't down a count since 2020, so not sure how they would know if Chicago lost 80K people. This seems more like a guess than an actual count,
With 2 tablespoons of wishful thinking, yes.
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Old 05-21-2023, 05:17 AM
 
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Reported by Fox News. Show us the incoming number of people. This is for Illinois, not Chicago but still.

https://news.wttw.com/2022/05/23/aft...ly-gained-250k
These are census dept numbers. They include gains and losses. Here is the raw data.

https://www2.census.gov/programs-sur...22-CUMCHG.xlsx

The census always puts out annual estimates between census years. It's called the PEP program. https://www.census.gov/programs-surv...est/about.html

A number of Illinois cities topped Chicago in percentage loss, such as Cicero, Berwyn, Oak Park, and Evanston. What this shows is not so much a flight from Chicago during this time, but a flight from density during COVID. It's not surprising, given how we know people left dense cities during the WFH era for more space.

I don't know why people are questioning this data. If the PEP survey showed a huge population gain we'd hear about it here too.
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Old 05-21-2023, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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These are census dept numbers. They include gains and losses. Here is the raw data.

https://www2.census.gov/programs-sur...22-CUMCHG.xlsx

The census always puts out annual estimates between census years. It's called the PEP program. https://www.census.gov/programs-surv...est/about.html

A number of Illinois cities topped Chicago in percentage loss, such as Cicero, Berwyn, Oak Park, and Evanston. What this shows is not so much a flight from Chicago during this time, but a flight from density during COVID. It's not surprising, given how we know people left dense cities during the WFH era for more space.

I don't know why people are questioning this data. If the PEP survey showed a huge population gain we'd hear about it here too.
I think people are questioning the estimates for a couple of reasons:

1) The census got the count of Illinois wrong by nearly a quarter million people underestimated, and it seems like the current estimates are continuing to use the inaccurate 2020 count; and

2) Some data seem dubious. For example, the estimates suggest NYC has lost 5% of its population in just 2 years, which seems surprising.
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Old 05-21-2023, 07:11 AM
 
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I think people are questioning the estimates for a couple of reasons:

1) The census got the count of Illinois wrong by nearly a quarter million people underestimated, and it seems like the current estimates are continuing to use the inaccurate 2020 count; and

2) Some data seem dubious. For example, the estimates suggest NYC has lost 5% of its population in just 2 years, which seems surprising.
I'm not sure what you mean by (1). Do you mean the survey is using the inaccurate cumulative projections before the 2020 census, or the actual census undercounted people? The PEP survey looks at births, deaths, and migration numbers; it's measuring change, whatever the base is.

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PEP annually utilizes current data on births, deaths, and migration to calculate population change since the most recent decennial census and produce a time series of estimates of population, demographic components of change, and housing units.
Regarding (2), New York gained over 600,000 people from 2010 to 2020. A loss of 250,000 in two years is on the high end but it's not implausible, especially considering immigration was greatly curtailed during COVID.
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