Guns in Chicago (Springfield: purchase, closing, legally)

[lenniel]

Originally Posted by Manigault

This is from Tuesday:

“An Elgin man shot his wife in the leg when she apparently startled him as she tried to get into bed early in the morning, police said Monday. Torrance Clarke, 39, of the 200 block of Elm Street shot his wife in the upper thigh around 5 a.m. Saturday, according to authorities, who said he told them he thought she was a burglar.”

Man shoots wife as she tried to get into bed -- chicagotribune.com

Well, I would say to Mr. Torrance that you can't cure stupid. That's as dumb as a hunter killing a fellow hunter because he heard something rustling around in the bushes and shot at it.

[Humboldt1]

Seriously, why do it?

You pay 75 dollars per year and if you get caught without registration thet cite you with misdemeanor and take your gun.

Many of my friends used to pay registration fee but no longer do and just buy guns out of state and bring them here.

I do not do this as I have families with small kids living in my building.

Will I ever be able to legally have handgun in Chicago?

[Gelasia]

Or the dad who shot his son because he thought he was a turkey.

[Basekamp]

Humbolt, just get a shotgun.

[Humboldt1]

Manigault,

So does it cost me $75/year to register a shotgun? Shouldn't I just take my chances with the gun being confiscated and not pay the fee? A typical basic shotgun runs around $200-300.

If all they do is confiscate the gun and cite me with a misdemeanor am I not ahead financially just to take my chances?

I have been broken into a couple of times over the past year when I was not around. I cannot afford to have some neighborhood thug getting into my stuff and stealing a shotgun and then shooting himself and suing me.

Most of my friends with shotguns just don't bother to register them and take their chances. This is like 3 people in the Bucktown/Logan Square area.

Mangault, you are right about the banks not having security guards, though we do post token security guards at suburban locations immediately after a location is robbed, which stick around for a few weeks before they are removed.

In the city, it is very common to see armed security guards as well as in areas such as Oak Park and Evanston, which are very urban and have fairly high crime rates relative to their affluent populations.

I think another part of banks not posting armed security guards is that we are just cheap with branches becoming shells of what they once were. ATMs and online banking are slowly but surely making most visits to the branch unnecessary. As such, we have drastically reduced staff, particularly tellers and branch personnel.

Lenniel is right too. With guards posted at every location, you would have very few suburban bank robberies, but banks have decided they would rather skimp on security and risk being robbed than staffing up to pay for guards.

Besides, most suburban branches only have $500K in deposits, $250K for the ATM machine and $250K for the branch (we call $250K lots of money bricks, btw). It just isn't worth robbing an armed branch.

If you want to really score big rob a Brinks or Loomis truck, that often carry $2-3MM in cash, which deliver the "bricks" to the branches and ATMs. That is where the money (and armed guards) is.

[Basekamp]

um. mine is not registered. Wasn't even aware of registration rules.

[Basekamp]

Why rob USA when you can rob Canada just a few hundred miles away. I mean I'm just saying, if you're gunna do it anyways don't do it here. I would say don't do it at all!

Originally Posted by Humboldt1

Manigault,

So does it cost me $75/year to register a shotgun? Shouldn't I just take my chances with the gun being confiscated and not pay the fee? A typical basic shotgun runs around $200-300.

If all they do is confiscate the gun and cite me with a misdemeanor am I not ahead financially just to take my chances?

I have been broken into a couple of times over the past year when I was not around. I cannot afford to have some neighborhood thug getting into my stuff and stealing a shotgun and then shooting himself and suing me.

Most of my friends with shotguns just don't bother to register them and take their chances. This is like 3 people in the Bucktown/Logan Square area.

Mangault, you are right about the banks not having security guards, though we do post token security guards at suburban locations immediately after a location is robbed, which stick around for a few weeks before they are removed.

In the city, it is very common to see armed security guards as well as in areas such as Oak Park and Evanston, which are very urban and have fairly high crime rates relative to their affluent populations.

I think another part of banks not posting armed security guards is that we are just cheap with branches becoming shells of what they once were. ATMs and online banking are slowly but surely making most visits to the branch unnecessary. As such, we have drastically reduced staff, particularly tellers and branch personnel.

Lenniel is right too. With guards posted at every location, you would have very few suburban bank robberies, but banks have decided they would rather skimp on security and risk being robbed than staffing up to pay for guards.

Besides, most suburban branches only have $500K in deposits, $250K for the ATM machine and $250K for the branch (we call $250K lots of money bricks, btw). It just isn't worth robbing an armed branch.

If you want to really score big rob a Brinks or Loomis truck, that often carry $2-3MM in cash, which deliver the "bricks" to the branches and ATMs. That is where the money (and armed guards) is.

[zz4guy]

I'm afraid to ask, but what does it take to get a concealed carry permit in Chi-town?

Some quality time under Daley's desk?

[pittsteelerfan]

Originally Posted by Irishtom29

I don't care if guns are unlikely to prevent a mugging or more likely to be used for suicide than crime prevention. For one thing such statistics don't apply to individuals and don't mean that I'm more likely to kill myself or less able to prevent myself being mugged.

I think that as an American it's my right to goi about armed. I'm sick and tired of my rights being held hostage because local government is unable to control, intimidate and punish social misfits and criminals.

As an aside I think this gun control nonsense has done a great deal to harm liberalism. REAL liberalism is based on economic issues and this namby-pampy, wimpy social liberalism (which is also safe liberalism because it doesn't threaten the wealthy and powerful; you'll never see the Pinkertons unleashed on gun control or Gay rights advocates----no big money involved) has driven many people with a stake in economic liberalism away from liberal politics.

I always felt Tom that America NEEDS a 'Labor Party', one that's 'sole' purpose is to protect the rights of American workers and defend their beliefs. Too many elected Democrats act and vote like Republicans now. And your right, it all gets thrown into one 'party'. Alot of Democrats will vote for Ruplicans just cause of gun laws.....

Even Bill Clinton did things to hurt the 'labor movement' in this country. He extended NAFTA, which Hilary tried back tracking and saying that she didn't agree with his decision to do that.... Ya, right, they will say ANYTHING to get elected!

[snoylekim]

Originally Posted by zz4guy

I'm afraid to ask, but what does it take to get a concealed carry permit in Chi-town?

Some quality time under Daley's desk?

Simple..nothing ... they don't exist in IL !! There's pending legislation for a concealed carry bill in Springfield..Actually, there are a few ways :

1.) Get hired by a Police Department or Federal Law Enforcement or Investigative Agency
2.) Be a retired member of above ( Although Daley has stated he's not sure about respecting that ..)

Don't know of any other ways to legally carry concealed in Illinois . Oh, another thing ..Unlawful Use of a Weapon is a felony in Illinois, not a misdemeanor ..