The Whole Creation Freed into the Believer's Freedom?

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by sciotamicks

Why do you have to be so mean Mystic? I mean, always, you bring out the worst in people....not me...anymore.
I love you, but I believe you are in error. I urge you to study κτίσις
The natural world of creation, as in the planet, sun, stars, moon, trees, even the animals, but we won't go there yet, was good to God.
It is man that fell.

Forgive me, sciota . . . I do not intend to be mean. But there is no way to make humankind into ONLY those who believe in Christ . . . no matter how exclusive you want to be or what "precepts and doctrines of men" you ascribe to. I love you too, my brother . . . but I believe you are in error. God Bless.

[sciotamicks]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

Forgive me, sciota . . . I do not intend to be mean. But there is no way to make humankind into ONLY those who believe in Christ . . . no matter how exclusive you want to be or what "precepts and doctrines of men" you ascribe to. I love you too, my brother . . . but I believe you are in error. God Bless.

I uderstand it isn't your intention, and I understand we all get frustrated at times. We, as Christians, no matter what view we hold, have to keep it under control, if we want people to come into the faith at all.

I understand we can't make people into disciples, we just spread the news......it is God's job to "make" them into what He wants, but Paul was indeed exclusively talking about people, be it that, firsftfruits....that is Paul and his Jewish Christian counterparts...and "they", who are not animals or anything in the atural world other than people....the creature...kitsis. Not all of creation. People...Gentiles...."they."

God bless you 2 my brother. We may not agree on much, but there is the singularity in which we agree on, and that is what grants us...eternal life.
When we get to Him in His presence in Heaven, He will correct us all.