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Originally Posted by scgraham
Once Saved, Always Saved: Are all Disciples Saved?
Upon becoming a disciple of Jesus, is that person granted salvation at that moment in time? The Word declares that whosoever shall call upon the Lord shall be saved.
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I think the Lord put his law in the hearts of all men and we are ruled by conscience. I believe people who aren't even Christians are saved, God is an all merciful God just like Jonah knew, he knew God was going to forgive them no matter what. Even if nature comes out to kill whole nations, I don't think that means they are going to some hell to burn.
The idea should not be about who is saved and who is not saved, it should be about why the temple is in 3 sections if it shadows what the kingdom of heaven is.
There is a higher Zoe abundant life kingdom where only the minority reach, and then there is a lesser kingdom, and then there is the outer court of darkness, the outer court of Gentiles, and even these people are saved but they are the least in the kingdom of God. Jesus said that whoever keeps the laws and teaches the laws will be the greatest in the kingdom and this is the Zoe life in the Holy of Holies. {
NOTE: The scriptures saying sexually immoral, liars, murderers, they are still saved and we can see them in Revelation, they don't get access to the city{BODY} but never the less, there they are. Just because you don't gain access to the higher Zoe Kingdom doesn't mean you go to hell, but not gaining this reward is like hell when people realize there is more than just salvation}
Then Jesus said that whoever doesn't keep the laws and teaches others not to keep the laws will be the least in the kingdom of heaven, and this is the outer court of Gentiles, people who are saved because of the alter of burnt offering sitting in that outer court, but they are people who never progressed from being a gentile to being one of God's people who are able to enter the temple proper itself.
Between the greatest in the kingdom of heaven and the least in the kingdom of heaven is another section of people who were able to enter into the Holy place where the bread of God is, and where the 7 spirits of God are in his menorah.
On Rosh Hashanah, 3 books come out because there are 3 sections and people find out where they stand on Rosh Hashanah.
1 Cor
The Resurrection Body
35But some
man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other
grain:
38But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39All flesh
is not the same flesh: but
there is one
kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes,
and another of birds.
40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial
is one, and the
glory of the terrestrial
is another.
41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for
one star differeth from
another star in glory.
The difference between the people counted in the two sections of the temple proper, and the people in the outer court is that the people in the outer court were building their house{body} on the wrong foundation and when every man's work will be tested by fire, their work is burned in the fire and BUT THEY THEMSELVES ARE SAVED, BUT ONLY AS ONE WHO HAS GONE THROUGH A FIRE.
Those people weep and gnash their teeth and they are sent to outer darkness and yet, they themselves are saved even after being ushered into the outer court.
I would say that God has fooled every one for good reason because some people really do need a fear of hell to make them half right, so that they at least try, but there are others who seek the kingdom because they love it.
The idea of hell with all it's scriptures is lost to the great majority, and it's meanings are learned in the feasts of God where we are people of the field, we have to learn how to be a farmer so that we can plant seeds and reap a harvest one after the other.
We are given the smallest seed of all when we have progressed from the first season to the second season at the feast of Tabernacles.
We pray for the rain of the feast of Tabernacles in order to receive the rain to fall on the seed we have been given, and if we do not pray for the rain of Tabernacles, we can't receive the rain, and if the rain does not fall on our seed, the seed can never die as a worm that will never die. The rain falls on a seed and it dies in order to bear fruit.
The rain of the feast of Tabernacles makes people immortal, they will be like gods walking the earth during a thousand year rule of the saints who received the rain of Sukkot and became immortal.
The people who receive the rain will rule the people who do not receive the rain.
Hell, it would seem, Hell is when you have been saved and even YOU have received a great blessing that you may live a thousand years.
But just imagine, you are going to live a thousand years in full health being a vibrant, extremely strong human being just as they lived in the days of Noah, and you should thank your lucky stars, weep and cry for joy because you have been saved, resurrected and are now in the kingdom of God during the thousand year rule.
That thousand rule is not a rule unless there is a people to rule, and some serve, some rule.
The people who received the rain on their seed, their seed died and they became immortal like walking lightning shining for all to see and know, and then there are all these other people who are weeping and crying because they did not obtain the prize and reward of the rule.
Their bodies are still like fire, like dust, and their seed did not die and bear fruit to make them immortal in immortal bodies, their WORM WILL NEVER DIE, THEIR FIRE WILL NEVER BE QUENCHED.
Within every one there is a fallen spirit, and with MANY scriptures, it concerns the taking of this fallen spirit where an angel comes and collects him to take him away from you at your death, he is no doubt going to hell but that doesn't mean you will.
The sons of lawlessness are within every one and this should be very evident because we are in a daily struggle between flesh and spirit.
The thing is, where hell is being spoken of concerning the sons of lawlessness in everyone, people who do not know that there is a lawless one in every one, they suppose this is speaking about people going to hell when it is not, it is often speaking about the fallen spirits of Adam within everyone, and how they go to hell.
YOU also will have to make your crossing over when you die, and it is then that Jesus comes to take you out of the water.
When you die, Messiah steps on your head and you split right in two like a sacrifice cut in half from his nose to his tail and God walks between the halves, EVERY ONE who dies will find themselves in the valley between the halves when the mount of Olives{YOU} is cleaved in two.
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