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There seems to be 4 types of "Christians" on this forum:
(1) Those who are "UR", IE: everybody who has ever lived will one day be reconciled with God, regardless of whether you are now, or have been, Hindu, Moslem, atheist, etc, and whether you believe on Jesus Christ or not, and whether it is what you want or not (God's will over-rides yours)...you're still going to go to Heaven when you die. Yes, I know, there are somewhat different versions of "UR"...I'm just trying to summarize it.
(2) Those who believe that joining some specific denomination or church is what it takes to become saved...if you are listed on some church roster then you are going to go to Heaven when you die...you're a good Christian because you attend church regularly, pay tithes, do good deeds, have given up smoking and drinking, etc.
(3) Those who believe that simply believing on, and receiving, Jesus Christ as Lord is all it takes to become saved...you're going to go to Heaven when you die...everything else that a Christian may ever do is just added "frill".
(4) Those who believe that believing on, and receiving, Jesus Christ as Lord, ANDrepenting of any and all sin in your life, is what it takes to become saved...you're going to go to Heaven when you die...
Strangely enough, all four categories quote Bible scripture to back up their position, as we can readily see from the dialogue on the forum. Some try to use "rational" thought or reasoning, to try to convince others. So, how do you determine who is really correct? Maybe there are other categories I haven't thought of...
The term "Christian" is Christ-based, therefore, without Christ, one cannot be a Christian. They may be or believe a lot of things, but they are not a Christian.
A Christian is one who believes, trusts and follows Jesus Christ. If one intends to be "saved" ... or have eternal life after this one, they must trust Jesus Christ as their Savior and receive His completed work on the cross, on their behalf. -- In order to have a "Savior", one must be 'saved' from something. The Bible says that this is the "wages of sin" --- Therefore, one must obviously (as directed in the Bible) 'repent' of their sin in order to be saved.
All of this is clearly, simply and repeatedly spelled out in the Bible. Further, it is not what people think or imagine that produces "Eternal Life" -- That is purely a God thing, and the Bible is God's revelation of His plan ... and "saving mankind" is what God does, not what people do. Therefore, we must depend on God and His plan.
Perhaps your question should have been, "What type of person are you?" instead of "What type of Christian are you?" --- Many people attempt to use Bible verses or denominational positions to support various beliefs/ Virtually all non-Christian cults in the U.S. attempt to quote scripture. But, that doesn't make one a "Christian" ... Nor does it make one 'saved' and 'born again' in God's Holy Spirit ... anymore than standing around a bakery for long enough, makes one a jelly roll.
God will is that all men come to repentance, and that's that.
But...
It will cost each and every man that comes to Him (after His drawing), for no flesh will glory in His presence.
Also, the notion of "heaven" is not what I believe - the Kingdom is where He is, and that's within you and me.
Heaven is real place. It is NOT inside you or me. Everyone will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Some will fall by the wayside and up in hell where they rightfully belong when you rebel from God and refuse to repent. Get your facts straight and read the bible and you would know that. Stop spreading your false prosperity gospel. It is nothing but lies.
#4. When you really believe on the Lord Jesus, righteousness and holiness will follow.
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Originally Posted by BudinAk
Strangely enough, all four categories quote Bible scripture to back up their position, as we can readily see from the dialogue on the forum. Some try to use "rational" thought or reasoning, to try to convince others. So, how do you determine who is really correct?
Just as when He walked the earth, Jesus confirms His Word with signs following.
Heaven is real place. It is NOT inside you or me. Everyone will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Some will fall by the wayside and up in hell where they rightfully belong when you rebel from God and refuse to repent. Get your facts straight and read the bible and you would know that. Stop spreading your false prosperity gospel. It is nothing but lies.
There seems to be 4 types of "Christians" on this forum:
(3) Those who believe that simply believing on, and receiving, Jesus Christ as Lord is all it takes to become saved...you're going to go to Heaven when you die...everything else that a Christian may ever do is just added "frill".
(4) Those who believe that believing on, and receiving, Jesus Christ as Lord, ANDrepenting of any and all sin in your life, is what it takes to become saved...you're going to go to Heaven when you die...
Bud
Mixture of 3 and 4.
I truly believe that one does not walk in and out of salvation every time one sins, but it is important to repent of known sin.
The term "Christian" is Christ-based, therefore, without Christ, one cannot be a Christian. They may be or believe a lot of things, but they are not a Christian.
A Christian is one who believes, trusts and follows Jesus Christ. If one intends to be "saved" ... or have eternal life after this one, they must trust Jesus Christ as their Savior and receive His completed work on the cross, on their behalf. -- In order to have a "Savior", one must be 'saved' from something. The Bible says that this is the "wages of sin" --- Therefore, one must obviously (as directed in the Bible) 'repent' of their sin in order to be saved.
All of this is clearly, simply and repeatedly spelled out in the Bible. Further, it is not what people think or imagine that produces "Eternal Life" -- That is purely a God thing, and the Bible is God's revelation of His plan ... and "saving mankind" is what God does, not what people do. Therefore, we must depend on God and His plan.
Perhaps your question should have been, "What type of person are you?" instead of "What type of Christian are you?" --- Many people attempt to use Bible verses or denominational positions to support various beliefs/ Virtually all non-Christian cults in the U.S. attempt to quote scripture. But, that doesn't make one a "Christian" ... Nor does it make one 'saved' and 'born again' in God's Holy Spirit ... anymore than standing around a bakery for long enough, makes one a jelly roll.
THIS, my friend................ should be a thread all by itself!! Bless you.
Personally, I am leaning pretty much towards #4, but I think #3 is believed first, then we eventually realize the importance of #4, as we grow and learn.
I believe God is calling everyone to repentance...He wants a holy people...both on earth, and in heaven. I believe heaven is an actual place, and not an immaterial concept of mind. It's not in us, and it's not to be found anywhere on earth.True, you can find portions (evidence) of God's kingdom here, but you won't find heaven here.
Just "IMO"
Personally, I am leaning pretty much towards #4, but I think #3 is believed first, then we eventually realize the importance of #4, as we grow and learn.
I believe God is calling everyone to repentance...He wants a holy people...both on earth, and in heaven. I believe heaven is an actual place, and not an immaterial concept of mind. It's not in us, and it's not to be found anywhere on earth.True, you can find portions (evidence) of God's kingdom here, but you won't find heaven here.
Just "IMO"
Bud
Yes, 3/4 mix. I think they are more or less the same. A person is saved by Christ through faith. I haven't seen any #2s here.
There is heaven, and then there is Kingdom Of Heaven which Jesus established here on earth, but it has no boundaries. When a person is saved he enters KoH, and KoH enters him/her.
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