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Originally Posted by Jazzymom
Chapter 3 has 4 verses. And all the verses line up with the verse they are supposed to show.
My thoughts are that all these Joel 2:31 have been cut and pasted and I wonder if anyone even looked at the actual chapter and verse.
I think if verse numeration wasn't a constant people would not use them to point out specific verses.
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Chapter 3 Hebrew, all 21 verses
http://bhcv.hebrewtanakh.com/joel/3.htm
From Netbible:
NETBible: Joel 2:28-32
Beginning with
2:28, the verse numbers through
3:21 in the English Bible differ from the verse numbers in the Hebrew text (
BHS), with
2:28 ET =
3:1 HT,
2:29 ET =
3:2 HT,
2:30 ET =
3:3 HT,
2:31 ET =
3:4 HT,
2:32 ET =
3:5 HT,
3:1 ET =
4:1 HT, etc., through
3:21 ET =
4:21 HT. Thus Joel in the Hebrew Bible has 4 chapters, the 5 verses of ch.
3 being included at the end of ch.
2 in the English Bible.
2 tn
Heb “Now it will be after this.”
3 sn This passage plays a key role in the apostolic explanation of the coming of the Spirit on the day of Pentecost recorded in
Acts 2:17-21. Peter introduces his quotation of this passage with “this is that spoken by the prophet Joel” (
Acts 2:16; cf. the similar
pesher formula used at Qumran). The New Testament experience at Pentecost is thus seen in some sense as a fulfillment of this Old Testament passage, even though that experience did not exhaustively fulfill Joel’s words. Some portions of Joel’s prophecy have no precise counterpart in that experience. For example, there is nothing in the experience recorded in
Acts 2 that exactly corresponds to the earthly and heavenly signs described in
Joel 3:3-4. But inasmuch as the messianic age had already begun and the “last days” had already commenced with the coming of the Messiah (cf.
Heb 1:1-2), Peter was able to point to
Joel 3:1-5 as a text that was relevant to the advent of Jesus and the bestowal of the Spirit. The equative language that Peter employs (“this is that”) stresses an incipient fulfillment of the Joel passage without precluding or minimizing a yet future and more exhaustive fulfillment in events associated with the return of Christ.
4 tn
Heb “all flesh.” As a term for humanity, “flesh” suggests the weakness and fragility of human beings as opposed to God who is “spirit.” The word “all” refers not to all human beings without exception (cf. NAB, NASB “all mankind”; NLT “all people”), but to all classes of human beings without distinction (cf. NCV).
5 tn
Heb “your old men will dream dreams.”
6 tn Or “in the heavens.” The Hebrew term
שָׁמַיִם (
shamayim) may be translated “heavens” or “sky” depending on the context.
7 tn
Heb “to blood,” but no doubt this is intended to indicate by metonymy the color of blood rather than the substance itself. The blood red color suggests a visual impression here – something that could be caused by fires, volcanic dust, sandstorms, or other atmospheric phenomena.
8 tn While a number of English versions render this as “saved” (e.g., NIV, NRSV, NLT), this can suggest a “spiritual” or “theological” salvation rather than the physical deliverance from the cataclysmic events of the day of the Lord described in the context.
9 map For location see
Map5 B1;
Map6 F3;
Map7 E2;
Map8 F2;
Map10 B3;
JP1 F4;
JP2 F4;
JP3 F4;
JP4 F4.
10 tn
Heb “deliverance”; or “escape.” The abstract noun “deliverance” or “escape” probably functions here as an example of antimeria, referring to those who experience deliverance or escape with their lives: “escaped remnant” or “surviving remnant” (
Gen 32:8; 45:7;
Judg 21:17;
2 Kgs 19:30, 31;
Isa 4:2; 10:20; 15:9; 37:31, 32;
Ezek 14:22;
Obad 1:17;
Ezra 9:8, 13-15;
Neh 1:2;
1 Chr 4:43;
2 Chr 30:6).
11 tn
Heb “and among the remnant.”
12 tn The participle used in the Hebrew text seems to indicate action in the imminent future.
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Good grief, to view this as anything but a normal and predictable lunar eclipse is beyond reason. Really ?????? to think otherwise makes my head hurt. Did you pay absolutely no attention is basic science classes in school. Perhaps the teacher demonstrated with a basketball, an orange, and a flashlight?