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Many of those who teach contrary to everlasting eternal torment for the lost are living by their feelings, not by faith. But without faith, you can't please God (Hebrews 11:6); the just shall live by faith. The Word of God plainly teaches of everlasting destruction for those who die in their sins, and by faith the just accept all of it. However, those who live by their feelings seek ways to adjust the Word of God to those feelings; this is satan's territory, because feelings are not faith and the enemy plays on one's emotions.
Believers do receive aionion life. But if this is all that God promised, there would be no assurance of life beyond the eons. However, at the end of the eons God abolishes death from His universe (I Cor. 15:26). This is accomplished by imparting the resurrection life of Christ to all who have not previously received it. Aionion life assures one of life up to that point. Beyond that, death is impossible. Furthermore believers are made immortal when the Lord returns (I Cor. 15:50-57). When one has been made immortal, death is impossible.
To argue that “eternal” punishment must be of unending duration because it is contrasted with “eternal” life (Mt 25:46) misses the point. It fails to recognize that “eternal” life is a quality of relationship with God (Jn. 17:3) and is an end in itself, while “eternal” punishment is God’s corrective discipline and a means to an end. It is the result of the punishment (kolasis aionion) that is “eternal,” not the punishment itself.
Because of the “eonian” nature of God’s revelation, culminating with the consummation of the ages in 1Corinthians 15, we can see that “eonian life” leads into “eternity”at the end of the ages. Therefore there is no threat to “eternal life,” even though punishment/correction is not eternal, but only for an age.
There are a number of Greek words that imply eternal but aionios is not one of them. They are usually translated “indestructible,” “imperishable,” “unfading,” “immortality,” and “incorruptible.” Ro. 1:23; 2:7; 1Cor. 9:25; 15:42, 51-54; He. 7:15,16; 1Pe. 1:3,4; 5:4; 1Ti. 1:17; 6:16; 2Ti. 1:10.
The Word of God plainly teaches of everlasting destruction for those who die in their sins,
It should literally read age-during.
Here is a snippet from JUST WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THE WORD DESTRUCTION?
"The Greek word apoleia, can never in its original sense imply “eternal damnation.”
The purpose of this study is to hopefully leave no doubt to the reader that this is indeed the case."
Many of those who teach contrary to everlasting eternal torment for the lost are living by their feelings, not by faith. But without faith, you can't please God (Hebrews 11:6); the just shall live by faith. The Word of God plainly teaches of everlasting destruction for those who die in their sins, and by faith the just accept all of it. However, those who live by their feelings seek ways to adjust the Word of God to those feelings; this is satan's territory, because feelings are not faith and the enemy plays on one's emotions.
The same word 'age-during' the UR's offer to explain the duration of the punishment, is the same word used to describe eternal God. Maybe they think punishement ends the same day the God expires. I believe God is eternal, and that eternal life is eternal, and eternal punishment is eternal.
The same word 'age-during' the UR's offer to explain the duration of the punishment, is the same word used to describe eternal God. Maybe they think punishment ends the same day the God expires. I believe God is eternal, and that eternal life is eternal, and eternal punishment is eternal.
GOD IS THE GOD OF THE AGES OF TIME
Of course God is eternal. But that is not what the use of aionios is saying about Him.
God is the "eonian" God. He made the eons (Heb.1:2 "God made the eons") and He is in control of what happens during the ages of time.
But the ages of time collectively come to an end.
THE EONS END, INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY Literal versus the KJV
Heb. 9:26 the end of the eons / the end of the world
1 Cor. 10:11 the ends of the eons / the ends of the world
Matt. 24:3 the end of the eon / the end of the world
Nah, same word same meaning. It has been shown to you enough times.:
1 Timothy 1:17 Now to the King of the eons, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for the ages of the ages. Amen. (edited by Rodger)
The God of the ages will get honor and glory for what He achieves during the ages of time which is the salvation of everyone who needs saving.
God wills that all mankind be saved (1 Timothy 2:4)
God is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will (Ephesians 1:11)
As in Adam all are dying; thus also in Christ will all be made alive (1 Corinthians 15:22)
"My counsel shall stand. I will do all my pleasure (the salvation of all mankind)
Yea I have spoken it.
I will also bring it to pass.
I have purposed it.
I will also do it."
Isaiah 46:10,11
The salvation of all will occur because God Himself will do it.
Last edited by rodgertutt; 12-26-2010 at 11:08 AM..
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Many of those who teach contrary to everlasting eternal torment for the lost are living by their feelings, not by faith. But without faith, you can't please God (Hebrews 11:6); the just shall live by faith. The Word of God plainly teaches of everlasting destruction for those who die in their sins, and by faith the just accept all of it. However, those who live by their feelings seek ways to adjust the Word of God to those feelings; this is satan's territory, because feelings are not faith and the enemy plays on one's emotions.
scgraham, the KJV clearly teaches of Eternal Torment. However, the scriptures that it is based on clearly teaches universal salvation.
Now, I'm willing to bet you don't want to argue with us over scripture but instead over KJV or other translations that are badly translated, correct?
The same word 'age-during' the UR's offer to explain the duration of the punishment, is the same word used to describe eternal God. Maybe they think punishement ends the same day the God expires. I believe God is eternal, and that eternal life is eternal, and eternal punishment is eternal.
Good observation Finn_Jarber, but NOT all universalist believe that aionios is a limited duration. I'm one that believes that aionios doesn't address the end of the duration at all. It only specified that the duration continues beyond the present age. So if someone is to receive aionios punishment then it it actually punishment that will CONTINUE beyond the present age. Even in the old testament the word that aionios was translated from was OLAM which interpreted is "concealed" that is because the end point is concealed from us. So to refer to something as aionios or olam is to say something is going to continue to a point not specified beyond the present age boundary.
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God's plan for the ages of time
God is the god of the ages of time
Have to leave for a few days
