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Originally Posted by tdinh For the UR doctorine believers if everyone can enter into God’s kingdom, what does the following mean?
Matthew 7:21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven"
You state: Simply once those people eventually do the will of the Father then they will get into the Kingdom of Heaven.
Here, let me post the next scripture to tell you otherwise, so you understand in full context:
Matthew 7:22 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Again, there is a separation of those who call on Him, in which they claimed they did things for Him- drove out demons, performed miracles, but most likely turned from truth to wickedness. I say that because one can not drive out a demon besides in know Christ and His name. So, He says, “Away from me, you evildoers!” So no, that is not true based on the following verse.
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Mark 3:29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin."
You state: Simple here. The word translated eternal doesn't mean eternal. Aionios doesn't mean eternal. And to not be forgiven just mean they will pay for such a sin UNTIL it is paid in full.
Let me rephrase, will never be forgiven…ah, ha, again, will never be forgiven. Sorry, I don't need your opinion, I need scriptures.
Luke 12:10
And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven."
You state: Same as last answer. They will pay UNTIL it is paid in full - no longer.
Let me rephrase, will not be forgiven.. I repeat, will not be forgiven!
Matthew 12:32
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."
You state: Again, just means they will have to pay until the debt is paid in full.
I repeat from Matthew, will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. Her in bold: WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN, EITHER IN THIS AGE OR IN THE AGE TO COME. Where does that say it means the debt is paid in full? It does not!
Quote: John 3:3
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again."
You state: Everyone eventually will be.
If that’s true, why even the reference to one can not see His kingdom unless they are born again? Why, because not all will repent and be filled with His Spirit. Jesus wouldn’t draw the line and say one must be if all were to be.
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So, one does not have to be born again, Jesus is actually joking because everyone, eventually, will be welcomed into His kingdom, and blaspheming the Holy Spirit, is no guilty of an eternal sin that will not be forgiven, and not forgiven in this age or the age to come. Surely Jesus has a sense of humor and His cross will pay for one’s sin’s though they do not accept Him, right?
You state: God is powerful enough to persaude any and all people to believe.
Sure, God is God, He can do anything, except lie, and violate His word. He will not impede one’s direction to follow truth or wickedness.
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Ok, when God tells Moses the following:
Exodus 32 “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’” The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. Then Moses said, “You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.”
The next day Moses said to the people, “You have committed a great sin. But now I will up to the LORD; perhaps I can make atonement for your sin.”
31 So Moses went back to the LORD and said, “Oh, what a great sin these people have committed! They have made themselves gods of gold. But now, please forgive their sin—but if not, then blot me out of the book you have written.”
The LORD replied to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book. Now go, lead the people to the place I spoke of, and my angel will go before you. However, when the time comes for me to punish, I will punish them for their sin.”
You state: Everyone has sinned according to God so everyone was blotted out of the book, But since He is WRITING the book that tells us that He is writing names back in. Eventually all shall be back in the book of life.
Wrong again. If one’s name was in His book and He blots it out, where does He state they will be put back in? Because it doesn’t. If one commits a grave enough sin, for example, blaspheming the Holy Spirit, one’s name can be blotted out never to be put back. Everyone has sinned, apart in this life from accepting the cross, what you have is incorrect. Show me where it states we can live in wickedness and in evil and commit a grave enough sin that He will blot out and put back in. You won't.
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And in Revelation 3:5- “one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels.
God blotted those out who committed a grave, grave sin against Him and blotted those out of the book of life, in which Jesus says, those who are victorious will never be blotted out. What is the book of life? What does blot mean? If everyone will be welcomed into His kingdom, not necessarily accepting His gift of salvation on earth, but as you suppose, eventually, where did the people go from the Lamb’s book of life? Does the Bible tell of those who are blotted out and put back in because He is so loving? If so, where?
When those of you who believe this, hurry and check google to find something on that and get back to me.
You state: Everyone will eventually be written back into the book that the Lord is WRITING.
Show me scriptures where God put’s peoples name back into the Book of Life, please?You can not.
Yawn.....yawn ok.....been there done that. Ever wonder why you're not getting any responses? Do your homework, for the third and final time.
Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Romans 5:18 -19 Therefore as by the offense of one [judgment came] upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon all men unto justification of life.
For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many (all men)will be made righteous.
Perhaps, you will explain what the "Kingdom of Heaven" is exactly?
No disrespect, but I am not interested in responses in as much as I am wanting to portray truth of the Word. Been where and done what? If you or others can't answer it, I take no offense to that; for some try, but it doesn't make any logical sense. God's word stands by itself. If one teaches or preaches the Bible in proper context, there are no contradictions. However, if one adds or takes away from scriptures, there are holes the size of Mt. Everest.
Good day.
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Originally Posted by Ilene Wright
Yawn.....yawn ok.....been there done that. Ever wonder why you're not getting any responses? Do your homework, for the third and final time.
UR can't. It's all an assumption imposed onto the text. One of their major pitfalls....as well as the "apokastasis theology..." that's another wedge.
Not everyone who "says" Lord will enter...that means...not everyone.
It isn't that their names are written back in but they are put back in because of the name that will remain. It is that they are taking a new name - the one that remains Christ Jesus. The only name.
Do you have any scriptural references that states God would blot out one's name and put them back in because of the name that will remain?
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Originally Posted by trettep
It isn't that their names are written back in but they are put back in because of the name that will remain. It is that they are taking a new name - the one that remains Christ Jesus. The only name.
No disrespect, but I am not interested in responses in as much as I am wanting to portray truth of the Word. Been where and done what? If you or others can't answer it, I take no offense to that; for some try, but it doesn't make any logical sense. God's word stands by itself. If one teaches or preaches the Bible in proper context, there are no contradictions. However, if one adds or takes away from scriptures, there are holes the size of Mt. Everest.
Good day.
You already contradicted. The scriptures tell us this:
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
That says God WILL save all men. "Will" is the proper translation here since the Greek word is Indicative. Want to dispute that?
Sure, let's get a few translations and align them up:
who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth (NKJV)
for he wants everyone to be saved and to understand the truth NLT)
who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. NIV
who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.ESV
Outline of Biblical Usage for will
1) to will, have in mind, intend a) to be resolved or determined, to purpose b) to desire, to wish c) to love 1) to like to do a thing, be fond of doing d) to take delight in, have pleasure
Again, out of context. He wants or desires and also wills...but as he does not push, overcome one's will, to choose. BUt He longs that people will choose Him.
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Originally Posted by trettep
You already contradicted. The scriptures tell us this:
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
That says God WILL save all men. "Will" is the proper translation here since the Greek word is Indicative. Want to dispute that?
Before I came to Christ when I was 21, no, my name was not in the book. WHen I asked Christ into my heart, was filled with the Spirit, I was born from above. Therefore, my name is written in the Book of LIfe.
I did not say one would have to be perfect to enter the book of life, what I am saying, though my name is in it, by commiting a grave enough sin, for example, as in blaspheming the Holy SPirit, my name could be blotted out.
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Originally Posted by trettep
They get a new name one that is in the book. The only name that will remain. Did you ever sin? - if so, then your name is not in the book.
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