The Tree Of Life (Gospel, church, Revelation, believe)

[newnature]

Hi everyone, just reasoning out that life Yahweh has within himself, which is the same life the tree of life produces, that life is cool stuff. Thanks for any reasoning insights.
If one really thinks about it, having that good and bad knowledge is no guarantee that one will choose or incline towards the good. After all, that’s what the serpent omitted in his speech, before Eve ate off the tree of knowledge of good and bad. The serpent said, “You are not going to die, but Yahweh knows that as soon as you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like divine beings, who know good and bad.” It’s true in one sense, but false in another; the serpent sort of omitted to point out, that its the power of moral choice alone, that is Yahweh like. The very action that brought Adam and Eve a Yahweh like awareness of their mortal autonomy, was an action that was taken in opposition to Yahweh. Yahweh knows that, that human beings will become like Yahweh, knowing good and bad; it’s one of the things about Yahweh, he knows good and bad, and has chosen the good. For Adam and Eve to have true freedom of will, Adam and Eve have to have the freedom to rebel. This is why this tree is in the garden, next to the tree of life; instead, evil will come about as a result of the clash of the will of Yahweh, and the will of humans, who happen to have the freedom to rebel. Human beings, and only human beings are the potential source of evil, responsibility for evil will lie in the hands of human beings. Yet, evil is represented not as a physical reality, it’s not built into the structure of Eden, evil is a condition of human existence, and to assert that evil stems from human behavior. The drama of Adam and Eve’s life should revolve not around the search for eternal life, nor preoccupation with immortality; it was not in Yahweh’s design for this kind of drama. It was Yahweh’s design for the tree of life to have been eaten of, there was no danger to Adam and Eve going on eternally, being immortal. The eating off the tree of knowledge of good and bad, has caused a moral conflict and tension between Yahweh’s good design for creation, and the free will of human beings that can corrupt that good design. Evil is a product of human behavior, not a principal inherent in the cosmos. Man’s disobedience is the cause of the human predicament. Human freedom can be at one and the same time an omen of disaster, and a challenge, and opportunity.

So despite Adam and Eve’s newfound mortality, humans are going to be a force to be reckoned with. They’re unpredictable to the very Yahweh who created them. Yahweh has to modify his plan, by barring access to the tree of life; that was not something presumably Yahweh planned to do. Adam and Eve had access to this tree up to that point, as long as their will conformed to the will of Yahweh, there was no danger to their going on eternally, being immortal. Once they discovered their moral freedom, once they discovered that they could thwart Yahweh and work evil in the world, and abuse and corrupt all that Yahweh had created, then Yahweh could not afford to allow them access to the tree of life. That would be tantamount to creating divine enemies, immortal enemies. So Yahweh must maintain the upper hand in his struggle with these humans who have learned to defy him. And Yahweh maintains the upper hand in this, the fact that humans eventually must die. Yahweh stations the cherubim and the fiery ever-turning sword to guard the way back to the tree of life, once Adam and Eve were banished from the garden. The tree of life is now inaccessible; no humans have access to immortality, and the pursuit of immortality is futile. So it might be then that Yahweh really spoke the truth after all, the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and bad did bring death to humankind.
The Tree Of Life

[hljc]

Adam and Eve rebelled and became impure, through this authority of satan that they gave to satan and this impurity separated Adam from God , and even though God had a portion of his tree of life in Adam he would never get a full portion for eternal life..... See Adam live 900 years and gave up the Holy Spirit and died ...... This eternal tree of life is accessible through the righteousness of Lord Jesus and He wants to give you this life , but People must be obedient to His commands and believe on Him and be baptized in the Name of Father God, Son Jesus, and Holy Spirit, and live the life married to Jesus and if you endure to the end and stay clean of iniquities then you will receive Eternal life and get a full portion of the tree of life in Heaven..... If you will never believe that, then you need to find a better Church were the gospel is preached and there is evidence of the Holy Spirit , and Jesus will be there waiting for you there, and will love you and help you.....

[Seve]

By the grace of God.... Adam and Eve were the first couple to be redeemed by the Lord after they have sinned"... by being created in the image and likeness of God (Gen. 1:26-27) or born again spiritually.

God Bless

[boanerges]

humans are going to be a force to be reckoned with. They’re unpredictable to the very Yahweh who created them. Yahweh has to modify his plan,

The ALL powerful, ALL knowing, ALL wise didn't see it coming, just like He didn't see the one third of His other "perfect" creation (angels) corrupting.

All this is according to mainstream churchianity, oh also He will fail to do His pleasure to see all His creation to come to the knowledge of the truth.

It's really sad to see that people "say" God is all powerful, all knowing, wise and loving but portray a different one. .......sick

[little elmer]

There is no "Plan B" - it was all part of the plan of redemption.

As for the Tree of Life: We see that "the knowledge of good and evil" isn't the way of the Spirit, as the carnal mind is bent toward judgment, and seeing everything as either black or white, instead of knowing that everything is part of His kingdom and made for a divine purpose.

Once we can accept this, we no longer judge after the flesh (as God told the prophet Samuel) but to know that God sees everything deeper than Adam 1's descendants. It really takes a revelation of God's sovereignty to walk in the spirit and to quit eating of the wrong tree.

In short, the Tree of Life represents Christ.

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by boanerges

It's really sad to see that people "say" God is all powerful, all knowing, wise and loving but portray a different one. .......sick

He's only this when he's out for justice, to exact vengeance on the sin and the sinner for not believing he loves them.

[Seve]

God does not control the will of our heart or else... that would no longer be classified as.... "FREE WILL." Therefore, God has Plan A... and Plan B... just like having a solution to all... what IFs.....

[boanerges]

from:Seve

God does not control the will of our heart

imo, that is not correct in light of these:


Ex 9:12 - And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh
　
Ex 10:1 -
And the LORD said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh: for I have hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might shew these my signs before him:
　
Ex 10:20 -
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go.
　
Ex 10:27 -
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let them go.
Ex 11:10 -
And Moses and Aaron did all these wonders before Pharaoh: and the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go out of his land.
Ex 14:8 -
And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he pursued after the children of Israel: and the children of Israel went out with an high hand.
　
De 2:30 -
But Sihon king of Heshbon would not let us pass by him: for the LORD thy God hardened his spirit, and made his heart obstinate,
　
　

[little elmer]

Originally Posted by Seve

God does not control the will of our heart or else... that would no longer be classified as.... "FREE WILL." Therefore, God has Plan A... and Plan B... just like having a solution to all... what IFs.....

"Free will" is not found in your bible - that's a man made phrase. The choices put forth to us by Him are His framing a people separated unto Himself.

It doesn't change His plan at all.

[Time and Space]

Originally Posted by hljc

Adam and Eve rebelled and became impure, through this authority of satan that they gave to satan and this impurity separated Adam from God , and even though God had a portion of his tree of life in Adam he would never get a full portion for eternal life..... See Adam live 900 years and gave up the Holy Spirit and died ...... This eternal tree of life is accessible through the righteousness of Lord Jesus and He wants to give you this life , but People must be obedient to His commands and believe on Him and be baptized in the Name of Father God, Son Jesus, and Holy Spirit, and live the life married to Jesus and if you endure to the end and stay clean of iniquities then you will receive Eternal life and get a full portion of the tree of life in Heaven..... If you will never believe that, then you need to find a better Church were the gospel is preached and there is evidence of the Holy Spirit , and Jesus will be there waiting for you there, and will love you and help you.....

If Adam and Eve had never sinned, and death was never brought into this world...how would all the billions, trillions of life forms that followed, through reproduction, of had a place to habitate?

If nothing ever died...where would all these creature had lived??

Did the curse of death also effect plant life, and ants and termites??