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Jesus said that John was Elias. But John said that he was not Elias. So was he Elias or not? Any thoughts appreciated... Blessings, brian
John had the spirit and power of Elijah:
"It is he who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, TO TURN THE HEARTS OF THE FATHERS BACK TO THE CHILDREN, and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous, so as to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
"And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come."-Jesus
John wasn't the reincarnated Elijah, but had the spirit of Elijah within him, not unlike Elisha who was after Elijah, thus fulfilling the prophesy:
"Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD. He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse."
"It is he who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, TO TURN THE HEARTS OF THE FATHERS BACK TO THE CHILDREN, and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous, so as to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
"And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come."-Jesus
John wasn't the reincarnated Elijah, but had the spirit of Elijah within him, not unlike Elisha who was after Elijah, thus fulfilling the prophesy:
"Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD. He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse."
I guess we have different Bibles!
The KJV gives me this:
"And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come." Matt. 11.14
"And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No." John 1.21
The Amplified uses "Elijah" for both the examples I gave.
So there is still confusion here..
Unless Jesus "knew" that he was Elijah, but John himself had no idea!
Blessings!
brian
Don't be confused. There is no reincarnation in the flesh to another different human being. It can be only the spirit, that can indwell another person. I am quite sure that John knew the spirit that was speaking through him. After all, he was a High Priest of the line of Aaron and Levi. In fact, the last true High Priest of the Law and since his head was cut off before he had sons, the old covenant was ended.
Here is something I found right now, but it sums up what I was also led to believe as well. I'll use his words, because they say it so much better.
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Acting as the true high priest in the spirit and power of Elijeh, John the Baptist would represent the whole nation by his righteousness before God in the person of Jesus. Is this what Jesus meant when at his baptism he told John it "becometh us to fulfill all righteousness" (Matthew 3:15)? John had a job to perform before his office would expire and come to an everlasting end! Some may object to John being the legitimate high priest but there must be a special reason why he was chosen to represent the close of the Law Covenant time period and announce the opening up of the New Covenant time period and day of grace. One thing is true, John the Baptist would rather be in the desert seeking God then to be among the usurpers in Jerusalem and play religious games with the people as a hireling of the temple cult and false high priest.
Don't be confused. There is no reincarnation in the flesh to another different human being. It can be only the spirit, that can indwell another person. I am quite sure that John knew the spirit that was speaking through him. After all, he was a High Priest of the line of Aaron and Levi. In fact, the last true High Priest of the Law and since his head was cut off before he had sons, the old covenant was ended.
Here is something I found right now, but it sums up what I was also led to believe as well. I'll use his words, because they say it so much better.
Simple. He is not God and just like asking you if you knew who you were in your previous existence. You simply would not know because all things have not been fulfilled. The angels of death have not been removed, so we cannot know who we were in our former advents. Christ being God, knew the man John and confirmed he was an incarnation of Elijah, but he knew his audience was not ripe enough for such wisdom hence the caveat - if you will receive it.
Maybe it didn't happen that way at all. The story was put on paper by an author that wasn't present and decades after event was purported to take place.
Jesus: Dude, you look just like Elijah...
John:Huh???
Jesus:Or Elias.
John:What on earth are you talking about?
Jesus:You remind me of him. Just saying...
John:Well, cuz, I'm not him. Be for real now, you know me.
Jesus:John?
John:Yes!!!
Jesus:Oh, sorry 'bout that.
John:No sweat. I don't tell you that you look like Matthew. lol, cuz.
Last edited by WonderingWanderer; 03-24-2011 at 10:48 AM..
Simple. He is not God and just like asking you if you knew who you were in your previous existence. You simply would not know because all things have not been fulfilled. The angels of death have not been removed, so we cannot know who we were in our former advents. Christ being God, knew the man John and confirmed he was an incarnation of Elijah, but he knew his audience was not ripe enough for such wisdom hence the caveat - if you will receive it.
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Originally Posted by WonderingWanderer
Maybe it didn't happen that way at all. The story was put on paper by an author that wasn't present and decades after event was purported to take place.
Jesus: Dude, you look just like Elijah...
John:Huh???
Jesus:Or Elias.
John:What on earth are you talking about?
Jesus:You remind me of him. Just saying...
John:Well, cuz, I'm not him. Be for real now, you know me.
Jesus:John?
John:Yes!!!
Jesus:Oh, sorry 'bout that.
John:No sweat. I don't tell you that you look like Mathew. lol, cuz.
At any rate... confusing it remains!
Perhaps reincarnation is an explanation. Of course, not everyone would like to hear that...
Blessings,
brian
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