If you can understand............ (purification, Gospel, hell, punishment)

[dobeable]

.............how bad eternal hell actually is,then why hang on to the belief,??????.......please give God some credit,He would never set up a system of life that would ultimatly see people suffer forever,our suffering is dure to our karma and we live it out here on the temporary platform,all suffering is only temporary and God would never make someone suffer more than they deserve,so ask yourself this- what crime befits a punishment of eternal torture,if reaping what you sow is getting what you deserve,an eye for an eye and all that, then ET is way below what justice is, and hey,whats higher than justice.......MERCY.so be free of the lie which is only making the nature of God to look bad and un-just,it is only a lie and has nothing to do with reality.

[jimmiej]

Originally Posted by dobeable

.............how bad eternal hell actually is,then why hang on to the belief,??????

We CANNOT understand the horrors of Hell.

Originally Posted by dobeable

.......please give God some credit,He would never set up a system of life that would ultimatly see people suffer forever,our suffering is dure to our karma and we live it out here on the temporary platform,all suffering is only temporary and God would never make someone suffer more than they deserve,so ask yourself this- what crime befits a punishment of eternal torture,if reaping what you sow is getting what you deserve,an eye for an eye and all that, then ET is way below what justice is, and hey,whats higher than justice.......MERCY.so be free of the lie which is only making the nature of God to look bad and un-just,it is only a lie and has nothing to do with reality.

Sin is like a disease. If you don't get the cure, you will die (spiritually). If you seek the cure (Jesus), you will live.

[Michael Way]

Originally Posted by dobeable

.............how bad eternal hell actually is,then why hang on to the belief,??????.......please give God some credit,He would never set up a system of life that would ultimatly see people suffer forever,our suffering is dure to our karma and we live it out here on the temporary platform,all suffering is only temporary and God would never make someone suffer more than they deserve,so ask yourself this- what crime befits a punishment of eternal torture,if reaping what you sow is getting what you deserve,an eye for an eye and all that, then ET is way below what justice is, and hey,whats higher than justice.......MERCY.so be free of the lie which is only making the nature of God to look bad and un-just,it is only a lie and has nothing to do with reality.

The suffering of those who die never having received Christ as Savior is eternal and it is deserved. The holiness of God is infinite, and therefore any trangression against God is deserving of eternal punishment. But man is not condemned for his personal sins. He is condemned on the basis of one sin only. Adam's original sin is imputed to every person who is born, resulting in condemnation - spiritual death - separation from God. Man's personal sins were never imputed to him for condemnation but were instead imputed to Jesus Christ on the cross where He paid the penalty for those sins, including Adams original sin. Since Jesus was perfect and did not deserve punishment, His substitutionary spiritual death on the cross satisfied the righteous demands of God the Father.

The penalty for sin has been paid and is not the issue in eternal salvation. The only issue is making a volitional decision to respond to the gospel by placing your faith in Christ. If you refuse to accept what Christ did on your behalf then you are by default standing before God on your own merits, on the basis of your own righteousness, and on that basis you stand condemned.

Man's relative righteousness can never measure up to Gods absolute righteousness and God must reject it. As recorded in Revelation 20:11-15, the unbeliever is condemned on the basis of his deeds.

The Bible is the word of God and what it says about the lake of fire is absolute truth.

The lie of Satan, voiced by his unwitting helpers, is that hell is not real. Or that it is only a temporary place of purification. The devil and the rest of the fallen angels know their eternal fate. But so many people who think that they know God while ignoring what He has revealed about Himself and about the future of those who reject His offer of salvation continue in denial.

The majority of mankind is going to spend eternity in hell. And it need not have been that way, because God has provided the means of escape. God gave man volition so that he could accept or reject the offer of salvation. Reject the offer of salvation and you will go to hell forever. It is that simple. And the only opportunity to make that choice is while you are alive on this earth. After that, it is too late.

The question was asked. ''What must I do to be saved?'' Acts 16:30

The answer was given. ''Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved...'' Acts 16:31

The good news: ''For God so loved the world, that He gave His uniquely born Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.'' John 3:16

The good news and the bad news. ''He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.'' John 3:36

Jesus said, concerning His second coming, ''Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; ... ''And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.'' Matthew 25:41,46

To those who believe what the Word of God says about eternal salvation, on what basis do you justify not believing what the Word of God says about eternal punishment for those who refuse the offer of eternal salvation? You are without excuse!!!

[little elmer]

Originally Posted by Mike555

The holiness of God is infinite

So is His mercy. (Psa 100)

I believe in righteous judgment, that every bit of the flesh is going to be consumed and that it won't be pretty - but I will go to my grave trusting that His will is never denied.

[jimmiej]

Originally Posted by little elmer

So is His mercy. (Psa 100)

I believe in righteous judgment, that every bit of the flesh is going to be consumed and that it won't be pretty - but I will go to my grave trusting that His will is never denied.

Something's gotta give. Will it be His Holiness or His Mercy?

[little elmer]

Originally Posted by jimmiej

Something's gotta give. Will it be His Holiness or His Mercy?

Neither, if His will changes us.

Wow, that was simple.

[Michael Way]

Originally Posted by little elmer

So is His mercy. (Psa 100)

I believe in righteous judgment, that every bit of the flesh is going to be consumed and that it won't be pretty - but I will go to my grave trusting that His will is never denied.

When God's mercy is rejected then His Justice MUST come into play. God does not desire that anyone go to hell. But He cannot compromise or contradict Who and What He is.

The same Justice that guarantees the eternal security of the believer also guarantees the eternal punishment of the unbeliever. God's love cannot overrule His Righteousness. And God's Justice must carry out the demands of His Righteousness. God's love only motivated God to provide the means of eternal salvation. It was His Justice that actually made it possible. If a person will not adjust to God's justice in salvation, then God's justice will adjust to the unbeliever in eternal condemnation.

Accept God's offer of eternal life through Jesus Christ and be saved. Reject the offer of salvation and be eternally lost. That is the issue the unbeliever faces.

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by little elmer

Neither, if His will changes us.

Wow, that was simple.

lol little elmer. But right on the money as usual

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by Mike555

When God's mercy is rejected then His Justice MUST come into play.

Mike you really need to listen to what you are saying. If someone is in need of mercy, do you honestly believe when mercy is shown them they will reject it ?

Yes or no will suffice thanks.

[legoman]

Originally Posted by jimmiej

Something's gotta give. Will it be His Holiness or His Mercy?

Originally Posted by little elmer

Neither, if His will changes us.

Wow, that was simple.

Holiness and Mercy are not mutually exclusive.

God is not in conflict with Himself, unlike man.