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1 John and many other places states we are to be perfect and holy as God is, Does He really ask us to be and it is not possible
it is clear that true repentance is we stop sinning, we are not always sinning, no way to go to heaven that way, read what God says, whole chapter there
Christians are not sinners, never said, those that sin are not His, it is clear,
all thru the Bible, sinners and saints, the righteous and the wicked, the good and the bad, a clear divinding place of Christians and the rest
Is no one perfect?
really then I guess that would make God someone who does not tell the truth, asks everyone to be as Perfect as He is, sinless, I wonder, who lives to teach no body is perfect, the father of lies
that way it is just grace without complete repentance from sin, a people go off and do what they want, works do not save clearly but you live in sin you don't got faith God asks for
Job ch 1 vs 1(Job a perfect man) 1There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
Job ch 1 vs 8 8And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
Genesis ch 6 vs 9(Noah a perfect man) 9These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Luke ch 1 vs 5-6(Zacharias and Elisabeth a perfect set of parents) 5THERE was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Deacons, elders and bishops all have to be blameless or perfect it is clear in the NT
Did these people ever sin, yes, they were sinners, but they gave it up and put their faith in God and kept HIS Commandments, then they stopped living in any sin and were no longer sinners but saints and the righteous
This no one is perfect crap is from the devil, We are not sinners, I am not a sinner, do I ever sin yes, do I also sin all the time because of my flesh no, more than conquerors in Christ Jesus, do I sin every day, no, did these three giants of the faith, no, that would mean they were not His. It is Clear, perpetual sinfullness is a lie of devil to let people do what they want and abuse grace, we love Him so we keep His commandments, they don't save us but prove or faith is real and we are the true Christians, That is clear those who obey all His commandments are His and Love Him for that He paid for our sins and we follow and abide in His Word
All Christians started by humbling themselves to God, they have to completely repent and turn from the world and believe the gospel as Jesus preached, He saved us by His grace thru our faith, not our works did it, but we do the works and live a holy life out of love for Him, it is so clear, to live holy you keep all His commandments, you love Him if you obey Him, you love Him as a Person, you Love that He died for all and that He is Creator and Saviour, we respect Him and know He is GOD of the Bible. We know the gospel is not a simple few things but His Word from Genesis to Revelation
With love Pastor Timothy
1 John Ch 2 part of
3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of Godperfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Walk as He walked, perfect
1 John ch 3 1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. 11For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. 12Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous. 13Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you. 14We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. 15Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. 16Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? 18My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 19And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. 20For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. 21Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 22And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
In Matthew 5: 43-48.......Jesus said ....``Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you and persecute you........ that you may be children of your Father which is in Heaven for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the just and on the unjust........verse 48.....Be you therefor Perfect, even as your Father which is in Heaven is Perfect......``...........Here Jesus says pray for the enemies that come against you and take the evil authority out of their way through Jesus Blood prayers so the Lord can move and prepare a place in the earth to bless you ....For God gives good gifts ......
1 John and many other places states we are to be perfect and holy as God is, Does He really ask us to be and it is not possible
it is clear that true repentance is we stop sinning, we are not always sinning, no way to go to heaven that way, read what God says, whole chapter there
Christians are not sinners, never said, those that sin are not His, it is clear,
all thru the Bible, sinners and saints, the righteous and the wicked, the good and the bad, a clear divinding place of Christians and the rest
Is no one perfect?
really then I guess that would make God someone who does not tell the truth, asks everyone to be as Perfect as He is, sinless, I wonder, who lives to teach no body is perfect, the father of lies
that way it is just grace without complete repentance from sin, a people go off and do what they want, works do not save clearly but you live in sin you don't got faith God asks for
Job ch 1 vs 1(Job a perfect man) 1There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
Job ch 1 vs 8 8And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
Genesis ch 6 vs 9(Noah a perfect man) 9These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Luke ch 1 vs 5-6(Zacharias and Elisabeth a perfect set of parents) 5THERE was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Deacons, elders and bishops all have to be blameless or perfect it is clear in the NT
Did these people ever sin, yes, they were sinners, but they gave it up and put their faith in God and kept HIS Commandments, then they stopped living in any sin and were no longer sinners but saints and the righteous
This no one is perfect crap is from the devil, We are not sinners, I am not a sinner, do I ever sin yes, do I also sin all the time because of my flesh no, more than conquerors in Christ Jesus, do I sin every day, no, did these three giants of the faith, no, that would mean they were not His. It is Clear, perpetual sinfullness is a lie of devil to let people do what they want and abuse grace, we love Him so we keep His commandments, they don't save us but prove or faith is real and we are the true Christians, That is clear those who obey all His commandments are His and Love Him for that He paid for our sins and we follow and abide in His Word
All Christians started by humbling themselves to God, they have to completely repent and turn from the world and believe the gospel as Jesus preached, He saved us by His grace thru our faith, not our works did it, but we do the works and live a holy life out of love for Him, it is so clear, to live holy you keep all His commandments, you love Him if you obey Him, you love Him as a Person, you Love that He died for all and that He is Creator and Saviour, we respect Him and know He is GOD of the Bible. We know the gospel is not a simple few things but His Word from Genesis to Revelation
With love Pastor Timothy
1 John Ch 2 part of
3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of Godperfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Walk as He walked, perfect
1 John ch 3 1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. 11For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. 12Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous. 13Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you. 14We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. 15Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. 16Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? 18My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 19And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. 20For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. 21Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 22And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
With Love
You're getting good at this preaching to yourself thing and it's good to see you are doing it with love. As it's the goodness of God that is tolerable,patient and long suffering that leads us to repentance Romans 2:4
Hmm, well maybe his patience is wearing out and that is why I am here, I think world events show that He isn't too happy and if you want to be mad at Moses or Samuel or Elijah for warning you so that maybe people quit making God and His Word they do not know a game, you got to ask why He said the truth would be lost and peoples love waxes cold because wickedness abounds, if you really think I have a love problem because I am warning, then read the book of Jeremiah, I cry all through the day, He told Jeremiah don't pray for them any more I won't hear you, curse them, God does have a reason, He did say that He just doesn't want to hear people, go away with your offerings He says, for why is it people want to live in sin and think they love God tooo, God gets it, what continent has not been warned, I am at the places when they get hit or after and they just don't want to stop... no remorse,
when Aaron and Miriam got mad at Moses for taking a second wife, who is this Moses, God turned her into a leper, God says it is funny about her spitting in His face, put her out of the camp 7 days, you know people don't even know who God is, talking as if Japan is getting destroyed, and Hatai, and the asian tusnami, and the twin towers, and the huricannes and they don't get that God is angry, like in the days of Noah, God is angry with all on the earth about regrets He made man, they just don't want Him, praise Him with their mouth but their heart is far from him, do not see and hear for they didn't want to and to love the truth, God gives them strong delusion so they believe lies
I mean elijah made it thru all those baal worshipers, I can make it thru, but the fire came down, elisha had some problems with some children, and some bears came down and had some dinner, I mean Daniels friends made it thru a firey furnace, Samson killed a 1000 men with a jaw bone of an ass, a jaw bone of an ass I killed a thousand men he sang, and then God gave him some water, you know, Samson did not have one person to help, neither did Job all his friends with there stupid stories and visions from God they said, talking for Him and it wasn't God, you know Job wasn't to happy with his friends or his wife and you know, God backed Him up, Joseph told his family you will bow to me they didn't like it, and David's brothers didn't like him too much either when he said he was going to kill Goliath,
so maybe faith and goodness to God is a bit different than being insane when an angel tells you God has to allow the devil to do things, and it upsets you, God is upset that would be a good thing to realize right now, and it is kind of obvious all around the world that things have never been farther from Him on this earth than now, and tomarrow people are going to work at getting even farther and claim when they kill God's people they are doing Him a service. You know Cain was upset with Abel, but it is still better to be dead and be able than Cain!
Hmm, well maybe his patience is wearing out and that is why I am here, I think world events show that He isn't too happy and if you want to be mad at Moses or Samuel or Elijah for warning you so that maybe people quit making God and His Word they do not know a game, you got to ask why He said the truth would be lost and peoples love waxes cold because wickedness abounds, if you really think I have a love problem because I am warning, then read the book of Jeremiah, I cry all through the day, He told Jeremiah don't pray for them any more I won't hear you, curse them, God does have a reason, He did say that He just doesn't want to hear people, go away with your offerings He says, for why is it people want to live in sin and think they love God tooo, God gets it, what continent has not been warned, I am at the places when they get hit or after and they just don't want to stop... no remorse,
when Aaron and Miriam got mad at Moses for taking a second wife, who is this Moses, God turned her into a leper, God says it is funny about her spitting in His face, put her out of the camp 7 days, you know people don't even know who God is, talking as if Japan is getting destroyed, and Hatai, and the asian tusnami, and the twin towers, and the huricannes and they don't get that God is angry, like in the days of Noah, God is angry with all on the earth about regrets He made man, they just don't want Him, praise Him with their mouth but their heart is far from him, do not see and hear for they didn't want to and to love the truth, God gives them strong delusion so they believe lies
I mean elijah made it thru all those baal worshipers, I can make it thru, but the fire came down, elisha had some problems with some children, and some bears came down and had some dinner, I mean Daniels friends made it thru a firey furnace, Samson killed a 1000 men with a jaw bone of an ass, a jaw bone of an ass I killed a thousand men he sang, and then God gave him some water, you know, Samson did not have one person to help, neither did Job all his friends with there stupid stories and visions from God they said, talking for Him and it wasn't God, you know Job wasn't to happy with his friends or his wife and you know, God backed Him up, Joseph told his family you will bow to me they didn't like it, and David's brothers didn't like him too much either when he said he was going to kill Goliath,
so maybe faith and goodness to God is a bit different than being insane when an angel tells you God has to allow the devil to do things, and it upsets you, God is upset that would be a good thing to realize right now, and it is kind of obvious all around the world that things have never been farther from Him on this earth than now, and tomarrow people are going to work at getting even farther and claim when they kill God's people they are doing Him a service. You know Cain was upset with Abel, but it is still better to be dead and be able than Cain!
No i believe you do not understand the patience of God, and how patient he is with you.
A greater one than Moses,Samuel,and Elijah is here, so maybe it's you who needs to take it up with Jesus Christ why he is patient with us, desiring none of us to perish but all to come to a knowledge of the truth.
It's funny that you are talking about Goliath,Goliath was the first thing that came to mind after reading your very first post there are many Goliath's in the church today beating their chest with the King James, instead of reaching out to mankind with compassion, defying it with threats from their King James,behold i see a little lad with a sling approaching who believes in the love,grace and mercy of God,you should be grateful that he believes that God is kind to the ungrateful and evil too(Luke 6:36), otherwise i would not like to be in your shoes.
Yea James and John tried to get Jesus to do the "calling fire down from heaven thing" upon those who rejected his mesage, Jesus was not having any of it, infact he rebuked them for THINKING such a thing and told them you do not know what spirit you are of, i came to save life not destroy it.
Yep, that is what He came for to save it, and few choose to accept and love Him, and He died for all, He loves more that is understandable, no limit, and you know still most people don't go to heaven because they won't repent and believe the gospel, you see John the baptist told them oh generation of vipers you are for a reason, he wanted, as God did for them to realize that they needed to repent, and you know Jesus did tell the church people their father was the devil for a no reason, and that you can not go where I am going, now given these two men, One God, and that Paul walked away after reasoning with the Jews many a time and rebuked them soundly and firmly that they were not God's children even though they thought they were and he was not. You know those verses you quoted are from John Chapter 3 so lets read the whole story of how the gospel is preached correctly by Jesus again, God
had to believe and make sure his works were wrought in God it will say, a Christian goes to the light and makes sure he is not in sin, people almost always tell little of this story and do not do the last three verses, you got to have the whole thing, see the devil wants it just faith, one wrong type of faith or another and it gets to that people want sin and God too, they just say John 3:16 as if that is the gospel, it is not on its own, each encounter you will find God addresses the person has to repent of the sin they are in, wether Nicodemus or the rich young ruler, the Samaratian woman, you had five husbands but the man you have now is not your husband, he rebukes her, she had a choice she can't keep fornincating and have Him too, repent and the gospel,
we are now where people think they got it with out leaving all their sin behind, confess I am a sinner thing, still am one they say, and got God's grace move on, do what I want, it is all over and I get to go to heaven, oh pass me the joint, I know thousands I have helped and watched them, they think God can do it all, believe and no repentance on their part like God asks, people want cross, resurection, God is God and love, They are a sinner, God will forgive me if I ask Him, what that is not the gospel, it is lethal, they did not have faith and following and repentance and turning from their sin.
i watch pastor in all sorts of sin I am teaching because they got so many lies, they rarely have any sinner in their house, I got them all the time sinners in my house to help them and go out and get more to try and give them time because I love them to help them see someone who is clean and born again, they get it and see it, but still they just don't want to give all the sin up, some of it maybe, they say can you pray for me so i will become a Christian they don't get it, or lead me to the Lord they say not knowing the cost, just want to repeat after me stuff they learned and back to the old life.
Got to stop sinning God says, people are drunk and say with a beer in their hand I will accept God, I a have spent months with them, I say you need to put the beer down when you are sober in he morning I will talk to you, and you will have to check yourself to get help, God will help you but you can not have God and your beer too, oh I want Him they say but they don't want to quit drinking and they know that, they just want a drunk repeat after me and the beer, I had lots of time and they said they didn't want to quit, didn't want help to quit, just a false gospel and God would not let me do it, In the morning he was sober, and didn't want to get help, let me and my wife watch his son so he could get it, cracked open another beer and went on I tried over and over after to still help, but he didn't want to stop sinning, couldn't give him what he wanted for that isn't the gospel
1There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 9Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?(rebukes the teacher of israel that he doesn't get it) 11Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
An excellent thread P.T...and I thank my God in heaven for you being here to proclaim the Gospel according to Jesus Christ...and NOT according to man! I am thankful for you...to God for bringing you here.
Can a person be perfect, YES!!!...are Christians sinners, NO!!!...do Christians live in perpetual sinfulness?ABSOLUTELY NOT!
...and this! IS! the question to be reckoned with!
SATAN IS A LIAR!!!
Satan tells you in your ear, and you believe it! that you are a worthless piece of crap who is no good and couldn't go a day without sinning...oh! but God understands...cause He made you this worhthless piece of crap, so He expects nothing better from you!...LIE! LIE!! LIE!! LIE!! LIE!!...and you buy it hook, line, and sinker!...and THIS! will lead you to your very destruction!...and you walk blindly down the plank...you hang on to the 4 x 4 stuck into the ground amidst burning flames with your own hands..nothing around them to bind you there...you could jump away!...you could walk back to the ship!...but you CHOOSE! not to! Keep on sinning and see where it gets you with God! YOU WILL BE SO SORRY! ...and my heart aches for you..so how do you think God's heart feels watching you waller in your sins...?...forgiving...?...I don't think so...I am sure not!
The false teachings of Modern Day Christianity have deluded the minds of too many potentially true Christians who would otherwise be walking today in the Truth of God's holy Word and not leaning upon the deceit of the devil himself and his lies.
I cannot count the times I have said this on this forum...but I will continue to say it until I die...Why would God...OUR God!...OUR Father! require of His children something that He knew they would not be able to perform...? What kind of father, or mother would ask of their children, who they love, to do something they knew their children could not do...? Not even a good father or mother would ever do that...so would God? NO! HE WOULD NOT!
God knows we can live a perfect day...week...month...year...life. AWAKE! to RIGHTEOUSNESS!, AND SIN NOT!; FOR SOME HAVE NOT THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD!: I SPEAK THIS TO YOUR SHAME!. 1 Corinthians 15:34.
...consider this: Part of that church did not know God! Those people who should have been ashamed called themselves Christians.
Even now, counterfeit Christians deny that we can cease to commit willful sin.
Jesus said it, Paul said it and all who know God say it!
"For some of you have not the knowledge of God"
“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” 1 John 2:4.
Today, it is the vast majority of what is called "the church" that does not know God and therefore Jesus does not yet "know" them.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord...And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
That scene will be the fate of all who call Jesus Lord but continue to sin willfully. REPENT OR PERISH!
The apostles and early church kept The Ten Commandments (including the Sabbath commandment); but even then, LAWLESS men were creeping into the church with their evil, corrupting influence.
Paul speaks of the great apostasy:
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that MAN OF SIN be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. FOR THE **MYSTERY OF INIQUITY** DOTH ALREADY WORK:
only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all **DECEIVABLENESS OF UNRIGHTEOUSNESS in them that perish**; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, BUT HAD PLEASURE IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS." 2 Thess 2:3-12.
Friends, we are not saved by grace, we are saved THROUGH FAITH. God grants us the gift of faith and through faith we are ABLE to be saved. We are allowed to escape the death sentence we have earned by sin, only by the grace (an unmerited favor) of a merciful God. We deserve eternal death, Yet, God has graciously granted us a way of salvation THROUGH FAITH. Eph 2:8.
The Apostle Paul said: "Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By NO means! On the contrary, we uphold the law." Romans 3:31.
Clearly, "faith" does not excuse us from obedience to the law of God; rather, through a true SAVING FAITH we are empowered by the Holy Spirit to obey God's Ten Commandments.
"...Sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4.
"Little children, let no man deceive you: he THAT DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS, is righteous ..." 1 John 3:7.
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." Rev 12:17.
In HIS! Truth and Light and LOVE!!!
Verna.
Last edited by Verna Perry; 04-16-2011 at 08:22 AM..
funny verna, it is amazing how God says Noah, Job, Zachariah and Elizabeth were all perfect and to be a deacon, elder and deacon or bishop you got to be blamless or perfect and people don't want to accept God's word that he said they were perfect, and this was before pentacost and the Holy Spirit was given, It is something all four of these people did sin at times, they were not sinners, they were the righteous, saints and saved by God's grace thru faith and they did the works, they did righteous things and they were righteous, because they didn't live in any sin, now certianly those things did not pay for their sins, but they were taken care of at the cross and they obeyed and did what God asked them with Him, not apart from Him in any way, but they chose to do and live a good life and a holy one all the time.
It is so simple, God has told me so many times I am Perfect, He really loves me, I know nothing I did could take away my sin or anyone elses, I think He is great, to die for me, to be who I am that I love Him most, for Him to be God and my Father, I like me, others like me, HE LIKES ME, miracles all around me,
I got a rotten job, telling people what they refuse to hear, the Truth, and then they just push and as Paul did with the Galatians and Corinthians, He said do I come with a rod or peace and love you make up your mind, he says the more I love you the less you love me, If I am not an apostle to others certianly I am to you. funny how much warning there is in the NT to, man which is worse the flood or the great tribulation that almost everyone on the planet is going to go thru,
This God who is all love and no anger or judgement stuff, grace and faith and no obeying stuff, wow, no repentance repeat after me stuff, say repentance, line them up by the tens of thousands like cattle and send them out like cattle and they go right back to what? two hour rock concert salvation, everyone now almost thinks there saved and a Christian,
oh hello, I am your neighbor, I want you to know that I have a problem, I like all sorts of wrong things 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, but gods got it covered, I thought I would tell you, I am a christian and I am starting and running four chruches, I got born again in a hindu temple, a limo picked me up and took me to the mosc where we ate afterwards and then Carl Sagan gave the speech and Copelands jet picked us up and took us to Osteens church where Madonna and Oprah were, they thought I was so great and they bought me a big house, I got a big flat screen and all with all the satalite channels, got desperate house wives and shades of sin and all the good shows HBO and SHOWTIME, going to get baptised in the Gangies river with the Dali lama, you know how much I love god and keep the faith, got his grace, I mean I have really heard stuff like this, people talk too long a minute or two and they are into it, churches full of them
no none of us are perfect,the only way that we become perfect is using 1st john 1:9. By naming our sins we quit quenching and grieving the Holy Spirit this puts in direct perfection for that moment because of Christ work on the cross. WE SIN ALL THE TIME!!!!
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, do I also sin all the time because of my flesh no
, more than conquerors in Christ Jesus
