The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish? - (believe, sinners, Holy Spirit)
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11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
The Atonement of Christ has reconciled the elect world to God. It secured and ensured for it [ the elect world] every spiritual blessing needed to live unto God and for His Glory through Jesus christ.
Even before the elect are born into this world as sinners, they have already [by the blood of Christ] been reconciled to God, it will now be a matter of time for it to be manifested.
The atonement accomplished the complete salvation for all whom it was offered for, that is the death of christ. It provides them Faith, repentance, sanctification, redemption, and every needful spiritual blessing to convert them to God, and remain secured forever.
11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
The Atonement of Christ has reconciled the elect world to God. It secured and ensured for it [ the elect world] every spiritual blessing needed to live unto God and for His Glory through Jesus christ.
Even before the elect are born into this world as sinners, they have already [by the blood of Christ] been reconciled to God, it will now be a matter of time for it to be manifested.
The atonement accomplished the complete salvation for all whom it was offered for, that is the death of christ. It provides them Faith, repentance, sanctification, redemption, and every needful spiritual blessing to convert them to God, and remain secured forever.
So God did not want to save the rest.
Yet God created the rest: knowing their outcome, knowing He did not want to save them, purposely leaving them in torment forever - and yet He still created them.
11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
The Atonement of Christ has reconciled the elect world to God. It secured and ensured for it [ the elect world] every spiritual blessing needed to live unto God and for His Glory through Jesus christ.
Even before the elect are born into this world as sinners, they have already [by the blood of Christ] been reconciled to God, it will now be a matter of time for it to be manifested.
The atonement accomplished the complete salvation for all whom it was offered for, that is the death of christ. It provides them Faith, repentance, sanctification, redemption, and every needful spiritual blessing to convert them to God, and remain secured forever.
Are you saying some human beings have not been offered Salvation and will never be?
Unbelief is one of the sins that the elect world is saved from, thats the significance of this portion jn 16:8-9.
The Holy Spirit convicts the elect unbeliever of sin and gives them faith.
Paul is an example, he was an elect who in unbelief rejected Jesus christ and persecuted His followers, being blinded by the god of this world, but when it pleased God, He revealed in Him Jesus christ and he became a believer.
1 tim 1:
12And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
13Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
14And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith [to believe] and love which is in Christ Jesus.
15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
Being saved experimentally is being delivered from unbelief .
16Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
The Fact is, no one Jesus christ died to save, can ever die in unbelief, that would defeat one of the main purposes of His death accomplishments.
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If He wanted to, then He would have. God created some people as vessels of wrath and fits them for destruction. Rom 9:
20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
I think what you need to focus on is the phrase "what If", in ver. 22.
Divine reprobation was always a possibility within the counsel of God. And no one denies that God, as the potter, could destroy His creation, when, where and how He saw fit. There is nothing that could prevent God from doing so. However, God, in mercy, has elected not to reprobate to eternal destruction. His mercy, as well as his obligations (to Himself) as potter over the clay, won the day, as it were.
This has been clearly revealed, not only in the OT law, but through out the NT teachings of both Christ and Paul.
11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
The Atonement of Christ has reconciled the elect world to God. It secured and ensured for it [ the elect world] every spiritual blessing needed to live unto God and for His Glory through Jesus christ.
Even before the elect are born into this world as sinners, they have already [by the blood of Christ] been reconciled to God, it will now be a matter of time for it to be manifested.
The atonement accomplished the complete salvation for all whom it was offered for, that is the death of christ. It provides them Faith, repentance, sanctification, redemption, and every needful spiritual blessing to convert them to God, and remain secured forever.
It's really sad when a mere human thinks he can pick and choose for God. You are not God so you cannot say who is or isn't going to bein His Kingdom. We are all His children. Every last one from every belief system. God loves all and not just the few that human beings think are His.
The Fact is, no one Jesus christ died to save, can ever die in unbelief, that would defeat one of the main purposes of His death accomplishments.
There are a few thousand people who have died and went into the spirit world who were not believers in God. A lot of them are now on the right path to Divinity so, sorry bub, even an unbeliever can find God after death. This world isn't the end, it's merely the beginning.
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I think what you need to focus on is the phrase "what If", in ver. 22
Thats considered, the what if means as to say, moreover, or even so,
It can be rendered, God moreover willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
or even so God willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
The phrase is stating what God did, not what He might possibly do..
The NCV Reads:
22 It is the same way with God. He wanted to show his anger and to let people see his power. But he patiently stayed with those people he was angry with—people who were made ready to be destroyed.
The GNT version captures it well :
22And the same is true of what God has done. He wanted to show his anger and to make his power known. But he was very patient in enduring those who were the objects of his anger, who were doomed to destruction.
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