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As a person who was involved in the Presbyterian Church for many years (ordained Deacon) I have to say this:
The issue is broader than just the gay part. In the PCUSA there is a movement called More Light. This is what the faction that says it is OK to be a noncelebate gay person in ministry in the PCUSA. Two of More Light tenets are that Jesus is not the only way to the Father and the Bible is not to be viewed as the Word of God, historically speaking.
Looks like a lot of Old Testament Jewish law that Jesus and the New Covenant has replaced. Nice try.
As far as the old testament laws are concerned, the point was that morals do change, and have changed.
And a grown man marrying and copulating with newly pubessant girls was not anywhere denounced or renounced in the new testament. The scripture I quted concerning it was the letter of Paul to the corinthians.
So I say back at you, nice try ... your previous point has been thoroughly debunked.
It's not about being inclusive. There are probably more gay Catholics than there are Presbyterians in total. It's about orthodox Christian doctrine being adament about the sinfulness of homosexual sex.
You don't have a clue if you think morality is a moving target and should be voted on by a popular vote. Morality is as constant as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. Morality is EXACTLY the same today as it was in Jesus's time on earth. The only thing that changes is protestant denominations willingness to adhere to Christian doctrine. The falseness of the doctrines of Presbyterianism and denominations like it are so evidently clear.
Please, call it neo-presbyterianism...The way Calvin set up Presbyterianism is not like it is today...Just like other denominations...
Orthodox Christian doctrine also stated the earth was geocentric for hundreds and hundreds of years. Doctrine can be wrong, as it is in the case of gays.
And yet, Jesus never said a thing about gays. For a sin so abominable, it's become the #1 issue to condemn among modern day Christians, one would think Christ himself would have explicitly condemned gay people.
You just have no clue what the Bible really says. You like most, just assume the English Bible is perfect and flawless, and requires no interpretation or cultural reference.
God did in Lev. 18:22...And since Jesus and God are the same...Figure it out...end of lesson...
As far as the old testament laws are concerned, the point was that morals do change, and have changed.
And a grown man marrying and copulating with newly pubessant girls was not anywhere denounced or renounced in the new testament. The scripture I quted concerning it was the letter of Paul to the corinthians.
So I say back at you, nice try ... your previous point has been thoroughly debunked.
You are talking about law and how it has been effected by increased life span. Your comments have nothing to do with core morality, so again, nice try.
Is breaking any one of the ten commandments okay now?
You are talking about law and how it has been effected by increased life span. Your comments have nothing to do with core morality, so again, nice try.
Is breaking any one of the ten commandments okay now?
Homosexuality is not mentioned specifically in the ten commandments. And since noahs deluge men have had a general life span of 70 years, though certain times in history when science was controled by religious theocracies the general life span became much less, such as during the dark ages. So pick cherries all you want, but intelligent open minded people are not fooled by your bogus generaliztions.
Last edited by Ironmaw1776; 05-12-2011 at 08:54 PM..
Leviticus 18 is not about gays, it's about temple prostitutes. Get a clue. End of lesson.
No it is not...Where in it gives you that idea?...
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