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There's always a lot of talk about evidence of the truth of Jesus, or not, on these boards, so I thought I'd ask my fellow believers the above question.
What WOULD it take for you to come to the conclusion that you've been wrong and there really isn't a Jesus who was the Son of God?
For me, I think it would take His body. Show me irrefutable proof that someone has found His body and I'll concede it's all just a myth.
The problem is, that so many people who have come to Christ, seen the "unseen" guidance of His work in our/their lives. This is precisely what Christ was talking about when He said, blessed are those who could not see Him.....unlike Thomas..
The problem is, that so many people who have come to Christ, seen the "unseen" guidance of His work in our/their lives. This is precisely what Christ was talking about when He said, blessed are those who could not see Him.....unlike Thomas..
Yes, I've seen that too and it's a powerful evidence. However, I also know that people see evidence in their lives of the reality of Vishnu or Buddha. If they didn't, they wouldn't dedicate their lives to them. Because of that, I think we should always at least consider the idea that we might be wrong. Basic intellectualism demands it.
So, in light of that, I asked the above question. What WOULD it take?
Yes, I've seen that too and it's a powerful evidence. However, I also know that people see evidence in their lives of the reality of Vishnu or Buddha. If they didn't, they wouldn't dedicate their lives to them. Because of that, I think we should always at least consider the idea that we might be wrong. Basic intellectualism demands it.
So, in light of that, I asked the above question. What WOULD it take?
Yes, I've seen that too and it's a powerful evidence. However, I also know that people see evidence in their lives of the reality of Vishnu or Buddha. If they didn't, they wouldn't dedicate their lives to them. Because of that, I think we should always at least consider the idea that we might be wrong. Basic intellectualism demands it.
So, in light of that, I asked the above question. What WOULD it take?
There's always a lot of talk about evidence of the truth of Jesus, or not, on these boards, so I thought I'd ask my fellow believers the above question.
What WOULD it take for you to come to the conclusion that you've been wrong and there really isn't a Jesus who was the Son of God?
For me, I think it would take His body. Show me irrefutable proof that someone has found His body and I'll concede it's all just a myth.
What about you?
You can't prove something DOESN'T exist.
You know that, right?
The burden of proof is not on atheists. It never has been.
There's always a lot of talk about evidence of the truth of Jesus, or not, on these boards, so I thought I'd ask my fellow believers the above question.
What WOULD it take for you to come to the conclusion that you've been wrong and there really isn't a Jesus who was the Son of God?
For me, I think it would take His body. Show me irrefutable proof that someone has found His body and I'll concede it's all just a myth.
What about you?
A competing god makes its presence known and says that Jesus is just a myth.
The burden of proof is not on atheists. It never has been.
The burden of proof is not on agnostics or people who never knew the concept of a god. Otherwise atheism is a claim because not believing in a thing (Whether it's disbelief in extraterrestrial life or memes or the idea that Harappan is a writing system) is a claim. In the case of atheism it's a claim that goes against most of human history or experience. So yeah the burden is on you as much as anyone. Unless you're meaning the specific issue of Jesus, per the thread, rather than any kind of Deity or Supreme Being.
Anyway I don't think Jesus can be disproved, but if we're going down this route I suppose if we found complete written records of Galilee of his period and he is never mentioned that would be pretty devastating. And if we can go in the realm of fantasy if a time-viewing device was invented, and showed that Jesus didn't exist or was nothing special, that would be possibly inarguable evidence.
As for him existing we know from Pliny the Younger, Lucian of Samosata, and Celsus that Christians certainly existed by around 113 AD. I chose these names because they were all hostile to Christians so they would not have invented Christ out of personal piety. Christ is also not referred to, as I recall, as some ancient hero of legend by them. Celsus mocks the Virgin birth and claims Mary had sex with a Roman soldier. As Roman occupation doesn't appear to have occurred until 63 BC we can be pretty sure Celsus is not making him into a folk-legend from the age of Hercules or something. Generally I think we can be fairly sure from this, and other things, that someone named "Jesus Christ" inspired or formed a religion at some point between 63 BC and 113 AD. I obviously think we can be sure of a lot more than that, but I'm trying to be objective.
Last edited by Thomas R.; 05-19-2011 at 06:11 PM..
There's always a lot of talk about evidence of the truth of Jesus, or not, on these boards, so I thought I'd ask my fellow believers the above question.
What WOULD it take for you to come to the conclusion that you've been wrong and there really isn't a Jesus who was the Son of God?
For me, I think it would take His body. Show me irrefutable proof that someone has found His body and I'll concede it's all just a myth.
What about you?
His body can't be found because he had the spiritual power to disintegrate it. Jesus is alive as a spirit and spirits are as real as humans, except for no physical body, they look exactly the same way; however, they do become younger in their appearance the more their soul is purified.
If we follow Jesus' true teachings and pray for God's Divine Love, which is what he did to become a Divine man on earth, then he will come to us and allow us to feel his presence and love. He has done this with me and several of my friends who are receiving this Love.
So in order to verify this, you and everyone else will need to try the experiment... pray to open up your soul and allow the Holy Spirit to pour in God's Divine Love. Then call for Jesus and when he comes, make no mistake about it... you will know it's him.
P.S. He won't be dropping in from the clouds on Saturday, so if you're expecting that... best to just go on about your day.
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