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"For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—
living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry."
A sin (if not fleed from) results in damnation Ephesians 5:5
"For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person
such a man is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God."
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The good news is that God provides the solution to it. (These aren't suggestions)
1 John 5:21
Dear children, keep yourselves from idols.
[quote=pneuma;19684017]I don’t deny what the scriptures state about homosexuality TS, the scriptures state it is wrong therefore it is wrong. [/quote]
I guess Asheville, you must felt neglected that I didn't include athesists.
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Originally Posted by Asheville Native
And here is the proof, the OP himself........As a Christian, I realized that many gay persons and "Christians" don't know what homosexuality IS !
So just for you..let me rephrase
I as a Christian that believes that the scriptures state it is wrong therefore it is wrong., I realized that many gay persons and people who call themself "Christians" and athesists don't know what homosexuality IS ... the scriptures state it is wrong therefore it is wrong.
Just be sure to make a distiction between the act and the person. You can be gay and otherwise right with God if you don't sin: that is don't have gay sex. It is the act that is the sin, not the predisposition.
Some people are predisposed, for example, to addiction. That is one thing. But to induldge oneself in said addition is the sin.
......................'If a person quits Drinking/getting drunk that person is said to be a recovering Alcoholic ....but one homosexual act makes you a Homosexual? Do we know what we are talking about?........I think gender confusion is part of this................early childhood molestation turns many to homo sex. That's why it is important to talk to your kids and be careful who they are left alone with. Predatory behavior is a social disease that oozes into the churches, now its oozing in to the laws of the land. I'm sure it's a choice for most, but its not that simple for those who were seduced and a young age, or raped and threaten. Harvard did a study that showed that most homo sex starts with an adult on child situation. This is a crime that is not prosecution due to the nature of the crime. Family and church families and scout families are involved . People have trouble doing the right thing due to liberal thinking. Like drugers and drunks , its dificult to get the right help. I takes prayer and fasting to extract these kind of problem and you need the cooperation of parties involved. Repentance and wanting to change is necessary. It can happen fast or slow or not at all. It can lead to disease and complicated health problems. Genetic disposition would suggest that God gave some people a problem.
being in the mental health field for many years i have NEVER encountered a psychiatrist that professed the theory that people are "born homosexual"or contain a gene that predisposes them to a homosexual lifestyle(and it is a lifestyle as evidenced by gay cruises,gay vacation resorts,gay parades,gay day events,and so on
........it starts when an adult seduces a child..........folks I have been friends with who are in and around that life style are not free. Bad thinking, drugs,irrational thoughts, booze, bad sleep habits..........it all spells addictive,selfish, risky behavior. Its a complicated pattern, they can be very likeable smart people twisted at a young age. And most will tell you how it all started, and then deny the initial act was a crime that bent them that way. Harvard Research shows different. Its cause is a CRIME. Adult on Child. And if things keep going down hill it will be legalized like drugs.
I've acknowledged that the circumstances for anyone experiencing this situation, would be difficult. 'Boy on boy', and 'girl on girl', are typically references to porn, but I do understand what you're trying to convey. In my opinion, as I've said, if a sex change is necessary in order to satisfy the individuals strong belief that they are male, or female, then I see the choice as medically necessary, especially in times when correcting premature surgical decisions influenced by parents, is warranted.
If they identify from that point, as female, they are in every respect, female, and vice versa. It would be nearly impossible to challenge their decision, unless an extremely rare case of homosexual hermaphroditism has occurred.
But, I want to reiterate that homosexuality is not hermaphroditism, nor is their conclusive evidence of the innate development of same sex attraction in homosexuals. In addition, regarding hermaphroditism vs homosexuality, the only evidence of the presence of biological similarities between females and homosexual men, is the study performed in 2008, by the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm Sweden, which reported similarities in brain structure between homosexuals and heterosexual females, as well as certain brain functions, and while this may explain feminine behavior, or traits, in homosexuals, it does not make the homosexual partly female.
Pens your still missing the point.
Let me try to explain it again.
A child born a hermaprodite
The parents pick this child gender (well say a boy)
......................'If a person quits Drinking/getting drunk that person is said to be a recovering Alcoholic ....but one homosexual act makes you a Homosexual? Do we know what we are talking about?........I think gender confusion is part of this................early childhood molestation turns many to homo sex. That's why it is important to talk to your kids and be careful who they are left alone with. Predatory behavior is a social disease that oozes into the churches, now its oozing in to the laws of the land. I'm sure it's a choice for most, but its not that simple for those who were seduced and a young age, or raped and threaten. Harvard did a study that showed that most homo sex starts with an adult on child situation. This is a crime that is not prosecution due to the nature of the crime. Family and church families and scout families are involved . People have trouble doing the right thing due to liberal thinking. Like drugers and drunks , its dificult to get the right help. I takes prayer and fasting to extract these kind of problem and you need the cooperation of parties involved. Repentance and wanting to change is necessary. It can happen fast or slow or not at all. It can lead to disease and complicated health problems. Genetic disposition would suggest that God gave some people a problem.
Significant points.
We are discovering how genes are greatly influenced by environment, especially in the form of hormone-producing thoughts. The claim that environment has nothing to do with homosexuality is a harmful lie. As you mentioned, environment (early caregivers, friends, birth order, experiences, culture etc.) is extremely influential in how we think, feel & act. I agree that most of those with homosexual preferences ACQUIRED it, often as a result of sexual abuse. On very rare occasion (a percentage of a percentage of the population) abnormalities are obvious at birth as with hemaphodites.
Also, the homosexual lifestyle can increase homosexual preferences & tendencies. Thoughts create feelings, which affects brain chemistry which produces mental states, which produces feelings, which again alters brain chemistry. A study showed that men who played the role of mother - by being the main caregiver, developed more female hormones.
Compared to other species, we vary much more individually - mostly because of how our brains develop more after birth. We have a shorter womb-time than other primates; as a result, our brains are developed less at birth... only 25% of the weight of adult brains. Therefore much of our brain's elaborate connections are made AFTER birth. So, homosexual preferences are determined more from environmental influences, than instinct.
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The parents pick this child gender (well say a boy)
This boy grow up and has sex with boys
Is this boy commiting a homosexual act?
And how does a parent pick this childs gender ... by a simple flip of the coin?
I would conclude that modern medical experts can correct this situation (a hermaprodite) .. but if they could not ,are there no other absolute differences between the sexes known in the medical community ?
I would venture a guess that within the medical community that the chance of a person being so undiagnosable that one could be either (or the opposite sexless) is probably 0%. So yes..if a hermaprodite is medically determined to be a boy, then using the hypothetical, it is a homosexual act.
The reality is that God will trap people in their craftiness attempts to out smart him. Nobody is going to be able to out scenerio God in such a way that pits God vs God.
That's the same as saying, "All black people eat fried chicken, watermelon, live off welfare and rob liquor stores".
Or I suppose a heterosexual who takes a heterosexual cruise, goes to heterosexual resorts, goes to Mardi Gras, etc., etc. is living the heterosexual lifestyle?
you purposefully missed my point----there are not advertised heterosexual cruises,resorts,etc---pointing out clearly that homosexuality for many is lifestyle,needing to be advertised to others as such and not a personal chosen thing nor a genetic thing---so why does the gay community need this advertising---why cannot gays(dislike that connotation as so many in the lifestyle are not)
please do not confuse your lifestyle with african americans for their race isgenetically connected and most african americans are NOT as attention seeking as homosexuals imho----and are okay with blending into society not whining about their heratige
As a Christian, I realize that many gay persons/homosexuals have no idea what a true Christian is!
I also find it odd, if not alarming, that this type of thread gets so much traffic on the Christian forum!
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