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Seriously? You're going to argue over the single most important commandments that Jesus ever spoke?
Mark 12:28-31 The Greatest Commandment
28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” 29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[a] 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[b] 31The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[c] There is no commandment greater than these.”
Any scripture that doesn't speak a message of love...any of them having to do with wrath, judgement, hell, etc. are not words from God...those are mans words to keep people in line and what a fine job they've done over the centuries.
If you list of not's are true, then explain death.
Paul tells us that God himself sent Christ Jesus to pay for our sins and, because of our voluntary, willing acceptance of Christ, He will designate us as righteous, so that our righteousness does not rest in what we DO, but in whom we TRUST. Our "filthy rags" will become spotless garments of white in God's eyes because of Christ, not because of anything we do or fail to do.
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Originally Posted by Pleroo
Funny, I don't have a problem accepting the idea that a God who is Love is merciful and doesn't need me to DO anything in order to love me, WITHOUT needing to accept that God required a sacrifice. Why would Love require that?
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Originally Posted by stillkit
Sacrifice is an integral part of love. What parent doesn't understand that? What would YOU sacrifice to redeem an errant child who has gone off on a path which you know leads to destruction? Would you not sacrifice yourself and all that you have to bring him back? Of course you would. You'd give your own life, wouldn't you? Well, that's exactly what God did.
But, an errant child too has to make a sacrifice to be welcomed home. Consider the parable of the prodigal son.
The father still loved his son, in spite of what he'd done, and yearned to forgive him, to tell him that all was forgotten and he was welcome home. But, the son first had to sacrifice his wayward life to receive the father's blessings: He had to come home.
It's the same in our relationship with God. He longs to forgive us, to welcome us into His house. He's made the necessary sacrifice to make it possible for us to return home, but we must accept that sacrifice and come back willingly.
Stillkit, first of all, the question was not DOES love sacrifice (of course it does) but why would Love REQUIRE a sacrifice. To say that God/Love demands a blood sacrifice in order to be able to forgive does not compute with the biblical defintion of Love (which bears all things and keeps no record of wrongs). It might be possible that Jesus "sacrificed" his life to get his message across, to demonstrate his (or God's) unconditional love for others ... that lines up with Love. Your scenario does not.
Secondly, in your first post you say righteousness doesn't rest in what we DO. Then in your 2nd response to me, you say God demands that we DO something. So, which is it?
As i said, I could TRUST that a God who IS Love, loves me without demanding I DO something (which was what you said was necessary for one to believe in your first post)... the idea that that same God demands a bloody sacrifice in order to forgive and accept me, however, does not make sense.
If you list of not's are true, then explain death.
Wanton disregard of the scriptires is a telltale sign of a false teaching. In this case people insist that everything in the Bible that does not talk about love shoud be omitted.
Seriously? You're going to argue over the single most important commandments that Jesus ever spoke?
Mark 12:28-31 The Greatest Commandment
28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” 29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[a] 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[b] 31The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[c] There is no commandment greater than these.”
Too bad that your a friend of those who hate God's word and believe the voice of Satan. According to their master, those evil bible writters left out the other part of what Jesus said to the teachers of the law.......
" Hear, O Israel but don't take what I just said too seriously, it doesn't really matter. It wouldn't be loving to expect that God would actually use that for standard for love."
Did God really say ........with all your heart?
Did God really say ........with all your soul?
Did God really say ........with all your mind?
Did God really say ........with all your strength?
Did God really say ........‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’?
Come on God haters .......... Please tell us why God would produce a command he has no intention enforcing.
Come on God haters .......... tell us why Jesus wasn't accurately recorded in Mark 12:28-31.
Should not have Jesus phrased it so that the bar would be set to accomadate having a "bad day" now and again or the occasional "inner feeling" of indigestion \ constipation \ diarrhea. Typical male that Jesus ..... God knows about a women's excuse of "time of the month"....
(opps sorry, God does know ...that's the filthy rag of Isaiah)
If you list of not's are true, then explain death.
That's a good question. Here's how I would see it, possibly...
Physical death is a natural part of life. It's just the way this physical world works and has worked from the very beginning. There has always been death, long before there was any "Adam & Eve" to supposedly bring death into the world through their sin. So, how could that be a result of God's "wrath"? The physical has apparently always been destined to fade away.
What's left is "spritual" death. If God IS love and spiritual life, then anything that is not love cannot be life. The things we believe or do or the attitudes we have that are not of love have a natural consequence of cutting us off from spiritual life. It's a spiritual "law" ... like gravity is a physical law.
It may feel like God is angry as we reap what we sow, but that's also a natural consequence ... our perceptions are skewed by our being out of alignment with love.
Too bad that your a friend of those who hate God's word and believe the voice of Satan. According to their master, those evil bible writters left out the other part of what Jesus said to the teachers of the law.......
" Hear, O Israel but don't take what I just said too seriously, it doesn't really matter. It wouldn't be loving to expect that God would actually use that for standard for love."
Did God really say ........with all your heart?
Did God really say ........with all your soul?
Did God really say ........with all your mind?
Did God really say ........with all your strength?
Did God really say ........‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’?
Come on God haters .......... Please tell us why God would produce a command he has no intention enforcing.
Come on God haters .......... tell us why Jesus wasn't accurately recorded in Mark 12:28-31.
Should not have Jesus phrased it so that the bar would be set to accomadate having a "bad day" now and again or the occasional "inner feeling" of indigestion \ constipation \ diarrhea. Typical male that Jesus ..... God knows about a women's excuse of "time of the month".
Does it occur to you that God would not say those things for his own benefit but for the benefit of those he is speaking to? Why do you give rules to your children except for to keep them and others physically and emotionally safe and well? You wouldn't then punish them for disobeying you just because it displeased you, would you? No. You want best for them, so you put things into place that will help them to learn (either through discipline or simply allowing the natural consequences of their actions to take their course.)
Do human parents get wrathful with their children? Sure, sometimes. But that's because we have a tendency to think selfishly about how what our children do has impacted us. Do you assume that same selfish spirit that causes wrath in us, is in God?
And you've made it very clear that you have absolutely NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!!! But it's not your fault and I know that...you just haven't evolved consciously yet and are unable to even consider any other viewpoint but your own...that is just basic Psychology 101. When they crucified Jesus, he knew this as well...remember his words...Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. People who have not evolved to a higher consciousness CANNOT understand people who have and therefore they can only function in the realm of the consciousness they possess. If one is not willing to SEEK FIRST THE KINGDOM...which Jesus clearly stated is WITHIN US...one will never evolve to a higher consciousness to that of the Christ Consciousness so that they can actually see and experience the Kingdom within...Gods Kingdom.
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Originally Posted by Taratova
The kingdom is the Holy Spirit in us which writes Gods words in our hearts and calls rememberance to the word that is there. The kingdom is in his vessels , we are the church .It is having the living word in us that is the kingdom of God. God works through us who follows him and every word is spirit and truth in our hearts. The living word of God. Jesus commanded us to feed the sheep the word of God who follow God.
So where in the word does God say we evolve to a higher consciousness?
See the bolded portion above...we are not on equal footing therefore our conversing at this point...is pointless.
Too bad that your a friend of those who hate God's word and believe the voice of Satan. According to their master, those evil bible writters left out the other part of what Jesus said to the teachers of the law.......
" Hear, O Israel but don't take what I just said too seriously, it doesn't really matter. It wouldn't be loving to expect that God would actually use that for standard for love."
Did God really say ........with all your heart?
Did God really say ........with all your soul?
Did God really say ........with all your mind?
Did God really say ........with all your strength?
Did God really say ........‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’?
Come on God haters .......... Please tell us why God would produce a command he has no intention enforcing.
Come on God haters .......... tell us why Jesus wasn't accurately recorded in Mark 12:28-31.
Should not have Jesus phrased it so that the bar would be set to accomadate having a "bad day" now and again or the occasional "inner feeling" of indigestion \ constipation \ diarrhea. Typical male that Jesus ..... God knows about a women's excuse of "time of the month"....
(opps sorry, God does know ...that's the filthy rag of Isaiah)
What?? I'm sorry but here lately I can't make heads or tails of your posts TS....God haters? Who here hates God? What does any of this have to do with what I said/quoted? Bizarre.
Wanton disregard of the scriptires is a telltale sign of a false teaching. In this case people insist that everything in the Bible that does not talk about love shoud be omitted.
Exactly..... listed along with love in 1Cor.13:13~ is faith and hope !
Faith is the foundation on which the other two stand, and love is the object because it enables us to communicate, interact properly, and unite, hope is the quality that motivates, providing energy by keeping us in anticipation of greater and better things to come.
As we can see that the other two virtues are just or as much important as love....
God's love through His Son, Jesus Christ given to the world... drawing people to Him creating the faith to believe, giving the heart hope which then the Holy Spirit creates God's love in the heart that comes out in the actions of the fruit of the Holy Spirit, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; and we know.... against such things there is no law.
Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. (Gal.5:22-24)
1 Corinthians 13:13
And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
Here, Paul lists hope as one of the "big three" virtues of Christianity. Whereas faith is the foundation on which the other two stand, and love is the object because it enables us to communicate, interact properly, and unite, hope is the quality that motivates, providing energy by keeping us in anticipation of greater and better things to come.
Hope, as used in Scripture, is not difficult to define. It appears as both a noun and verb, and conveys the absolute certainty of future good. I Corinthians 13:13 lists it with those things that remain, abide, or continue. In other words, even in the Kingdom of God, we will always be eagerly looking forward to some blessing or accomplishment as age upon age unfolds before us. This will occur because God's revelation never ends, as He Himself is an inexhaustible resource.
Ephesians 2:12 adds another dimension to Christian hope. ". . . that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world." Our hope is uniquely Christian because no other religion, no other way of life, can give its adherents a certain hope. Why? First, even though other religions may be moral in their teachings, they speak only from man's experiences. Second, their god is not living the life of God. Third, they have no expectation of the Messiah and all it implies.
Blessings...
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I'm sorry but here lately I can't make heads or tails of your posts TS....God haters? Who here hates God? What does any of this have to do with what I said/quoted? Bizarre.
