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Old 06-01-2011, 06:53 PM
 
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Romans 9:


13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

How can it be sincerely taught that scripture teaches that God loves all men without exception, when it specifically says of Esau, God Hated ?

And I got news for you, He did not only hate Esau, but all the workers of iniquity. ps 5:


5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

And they that work iniquity shall soon hear these words Matt 7:


23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Yes, these and those in ps 5 5 are the very same !
Yes, he loves all people but he doesn't love everything they do/say/think/feel.
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Old 06-01-2011, 11:19 PM
 
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Yes, he loves all people but he doesn't love everything they do/say/think/feel.
Not one of those scriptures I quoted stated He loves all people.

Romans 9:


13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

How can it be sincerely taught that scripture teaches that God loves all men without exception, when it specifically says of Esau, God Hated ?

And I got news for you, He did not only hate Esau, but all the workers of iniquity. ps 5:


5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
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Old 06-01-2011, 11:21 PM
 
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God also "hated"
1. His annointed King David (Psalm 89:38)
2. Israel, the beloved of His soul (Jeremaiah 12:8)

God "hating" someone doesn't mean He won't save them.
God saves by His Love, not by His hate. Eph 2:


4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
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Old 06-01-2011, 11:23 PM
 
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Esau WAS elect in Christ. We know this and it's scriptural.

Show me the scripture that says it.
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Old 06-01-2011, 11:50 PM
 
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God saves by His Love, not by His hate. Eph 2:


4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Yes, I agree.

Did you ever notice that by faith Isaac blessed both Jacob and Esau concerning things to come? (Heb 11:20). Also, the blessing Esau received was hopeful in the end.
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Old 06-02-2011, 01:10 AM
 
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I've brought this up on the Christianity forum, but didn't really receive an answer. Someone who knows the bible well told me that God created people for the sole purpose of being destroyed. That he did indeed hate these people. Someone raised a point that I had not considered here, and that was that if God hates you, that doesn't mean he wouldn't save you. Who knows, I sure don't. Everyone has their opinion. We don't know who's correct.
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Old 06-02-2011, 03:13 AM
 
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That's a good point, Reverend. God created everything - whether deemed good or bad. God is really a paradox... suffers by seeing suffering, yet maintains cheerfulness & motivated unconditional love.

What I was trying to explain is...I see God as love (higher goodness & spirituality)... so when we engage in iniquitous behavior, we don't feel love or God.
Yeah. I agree and boy can I ever atest to that!!
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Old 06-02-2011, 03:21 AM
 
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Not one of those scriptures I quoted stated He loves all people.

Romans 9:


13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

How can it be sincerely taught that scripture teaches that God loves all men without exception, when it specifically says of Esau, God Hated ?

And I got news for you, He did not only hate Esau, but all the workers of iniquity. ps 5:


5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
If you would just stop reiterating that book you worship and think for a moment you would know that unconditionally means without condition. It won't matter if we rape, murder, love or hate, God will ALWAYS love each and every one of us. NO EXCEPTIONS. None. It is US who has to pay for not loving in return. Us. You make your God seem like an ogre, ready to pounce on any person who does not obey. He isn't like that at all. He is ALL that is Truth, Beauty and Goodness and absolute LOVE. Can you even fathom that? No? Try. Just because something is written in a book, does not make it true.
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Old 06-02-2011, 06:49 AM
 
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Not one of those scriptures I quoted stated He loves all people.

LOL, Well of course the scriptures you quoted don't say that, why not quote the ones that suggest otherwise.

John 3:16 says for God so loved the world and whosoever believes.

You still have not addressed the likelyhood that your doctrinal stance can likely mean that YOU are one that is hated.
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Old 06-02-2011, 07:23 AM
 
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alabama:

Show me the scripture that says it.
I did show it to you. However, it's clear by your testimony that you do not believe on Him who justifies the ungodly.
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