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Old 07-05-2011, 10:16 AM
 
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If we cannot love a person as he is,then our love is not love.This how God is reaching the world, His love when known, brings about the desired change we desire for ourselves and for all those who are in our lives.
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Old 07-05-2011, 11:27 AM
 
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We will be judged by god for our sins as jesus said. We have no authority to judge man on sin itself. Lokig at each perosn he saved and what he said its clear his teaching purpose. He never stopped anyoen from sinnig but always advised they sin no more.The teschig on sin where for each person as a individual not the colective.He never condemmed any mercy of man nor man having laws that protected the collective.Even we recognise sins that do not endanger the collective in our law making.
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Old 07-10-2011, 07:34 AM
 
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Heb 12:6-10

Heb 12:

6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

10For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

Since the writer seems to indicate that some can be without chastisement, of which all them that God Loveth [see Rev 3:19] receives, then its reasonable to conclude that those who be without it, The Lord did not Love, and they are bastards as scripture says, and not son's [This destroys the ungodly concept that all mankind are the son's of God] For if all were sons of God, this inspired statement by the writer of Hebrews is a lie.

Jesus says in Rev 3:19 " as many as He Loves" He Chastens ! Why if He loved all mankind without exception, then His statement " as many as " is misleading and tends to deceive, why even say it that way Lord Jesus, if you Love all mankind without exception.

The phrase " as many as" is a idiom denoting a part as distinct from the whole ! Dividing something into parts.

It can denote a large number, but not all. One can be told to take as many as you like, but that does not mean to take all.

So this very Phrase, As Many as I Love, denotes that Christ does not Love all mankind without exception !
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Old 07-10-2011, 07:56 AM
 
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One thing i can say without a shadow of doubt, until we accept God loves all men without exception,we can never love our neighbor as ourselves,like we are called to.

And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.

Jesus said freely you have received freely give.
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Old 07-10-2011, 09:00 AM
 
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Since the writer seems to indicate that some can be without chastisement, of which all them that God Loveth [see Rev 3:19] receives, then its reasonable to conclude that those who be without it, The Lord did not Love, and they are bastards as scripture says, and not son's [This destroys the ungodly concept that all mankind are the son's of God] For if all were sons of God, this inspired statement by the writer of Hebrews is a lie.

Jesus says in Rev 3:19 " as many as He Loves" He Chastens ! Why if He loved all mankind without exception, then His statement " as many as " is misleading and tends to deceive, why even say it that way Lord Jesus, if you Love all mankind without exception.

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I' sorry to tell ya, but your on the outside looking in, that is why you have been deceived.


Mar 4:11&12
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.


You have been deceived, as you have failed to understand the parabolic language of the scriptures. Don't worry, one day the spirit of Christ will move in your heart and cause you to come to understand the truth of the Good News message, which is the love of God for all people and his plan and purpose to save all people and cause them to come to a knowledge of the truth, but right now you are a vessel of wrath and you have been fitted to destruction.

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Old 07-18-2011, 04:31 PM
 
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His Great Love quickens the Dead !

I know that God does not Love everyone without exception because everyone without exception is not and will not be quickened because of His Great Love. Eph 2:4-5

4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

God performed this deed for those He Loved while they were dead in sins. Not when they repented or when they came in Faith, but even while dead. In fact coming in repentance and faith are direct results of having been quickened or made alive.

The psalmist wrote once this Ps 80:18

18So will not we go back from thee: quicken us, and we will call upon thy name.

The calling upon the name of the Lord follows the quickening..

God's Love to those He Loves is not just a mere emotion, but it is also application. God's Love gives Life [spiritual] to dead sinners.

This was Illustrated with Jesus and the story of Lazarus See Jn 11:3,36

Lazarus was one for scripture says Jesus loved " behold, how He loved him"

Christ love was demonstrated by quickening Lazarus from the dead.

God nor Christ's Love could be of no lesser degree of that which they command of their followers. 1 Jn 3:16-18

16Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

17But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

18My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

Let us Love in deed. The word deed is the same word in the greek for work, its the word ergon and it means doing !

James using the almost same identical situation adds this James 2:


15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

Does not God's Love give those He Loves what is needful for their souls.

God's Love gives those He loves, and sees them dead in trespasses and sins, He is mover with compassion and gives them life from the dead. Love expresses itself in deed to the brethren.

Now are not those Christ died for considered His brethren ? Heb 2:11,17

11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,


17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Where they not His Brethren before they believed in Him ? Yes they were, thats why He was made like unto them to deliver them from their spiritual ruin and enmity against God.

Was He not the Firstborn of many Brethren who had not yet been born sinners ? Rom 8:29

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

If Christ sees one of His Brethren dead in trespasses and sins, and He has all Power in His Hands, will He suffer His Brethren, whom for sure He Loves, to remain helpless in that dead state ? Cannot and will He not quicken whomsoever He wills? Jn 5:21

21For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. Certainly He will s to quicken those He Loves, He laid His life down for them. Jn 15:13

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Scripture says that He died for them while they were yet enemies, and in spite of that, by His death He reconciled them to God, and those so reconciled [even while dead in sin and enemies] Shall be saved[Experientially] by His Life. That says it all.

It can read Shall be quickened by His Life, made alive. So, those who die in their sins, dead to God, alienated from Him, God did not Love them, nor did Christ Love them and Lay down His Life for them, if He did ,He would have quickened them, made them alive, saved them. Eph 2:5

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Ye see that ? The quickening results in being saved by Grace..
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Old 07-18-2011, 04:43 PM
 
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If God does not love ALL without exception . . . then He loves none. Pure agape love cannot be discriminatory. God IS love. Ergo . . . God loves us ALL.
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Old 07-19-2011, 12:56 PM
 
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If God does not love ALL without exception . . . then He loves none. Pure agape love cannot be discriminatory. God IS love. Ergo . . . God loves us ALL.
It's as simple as that folks...why complicate it with man made doctrine???????
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Old 07-19-2011, 06:08 PM
 
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It's as simple as that folks...why complicate it with man made doctrine???????
Because the older brother resents God freely lavishing All is goodness on his the younger wayward brother,so he wasn't having any of it,put his foot down, and said enough is enough of all this love,grace and mercy and put fundamentalism in the way of it(man made doctrine).
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:05 PM
 
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Let's look first at a very well-known verse in the Bible (John 3:16)

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

We see the first part of the verse. It's a beautiful statement that God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son. This is the epitome of love.

Then we see the second half of the verse..."that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life".

This summarizes the nature of God's love. God's love is found in Jesus Christ. I am actually unable to find any references in Scripture that speak of God's love outside of Christ. I know we have the so-called "common grace" verses, like Matthew 5:45. But this verse doesn't really specify "love". It shows God's provision for His creation. But God's love, I believe, is to be found in Christ, alone (see also Romans 5:8).

I also find it noteworthy that in the same statement where the Bible teaches that God so loved the world, He concludes by saying that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

It sounds as if a logical understanding would be that God sent His love/Son into the world, but only those who believe in Him will not perish but have everlasting life.

We can't help but notice that it's only those who believe on Christ that will not perish. Even here the line is drawn between those who believe and those who do not. Eternal life is given only to those who come to faith in Christ.

Ephesians 5:25 tells us, "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her".

Christ gave Himself for the Church....His people. So I think we have to be careful with how we view or interpret the passages that refer to the world, or the "all" passages that might appear to be speaking about the whole world without exception.

Jesus speaks in His High Priestly prayer of those whom God has given Him:

John 17:6
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

Then in verse 9...

"I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine."

It's at least important to look at this information as we consider the question, "Does God loves everyone without exception?"

This is by no means an exhaustive treatment of the issue...just something to bear in mind (from what I can see).
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