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Old 07-09-2011, 05:41 AM
 
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That True Believers can loose their Salvation is one of the most God and Christ dishonoring doctrines that a man can utter ! Its nothing less than taking a shot at and discrediting the very Power of God [Blasphemy] which is keeping the Believer through Faith unto that Salvation that is ready to be revealed 1 Pet 1:5

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Now I am not referring to every false believer, but to all those believers in Christ who hath been begotten again unto a lively hope [Faith] by [not their freewill] the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

These have been begotten again ! Now this word begotten ins the greek word anagennao:

to produce again, be born again, born anew

metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God

It is those who have been produced again, born anew. It also means to have been given one a Change of Mind, which is Repentance. The greek word used for Repentance is metanoia and means:

a change of mind, as it appears to one who repents, of a purpose he has formed or of something he has done

So we can now see from scripture that a Change of Mind, Repentance is an effect of having been begotten again by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, it cannot be made any plainer.

The word for begotten again is also translated born again in 1 Pet 1:23

23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Now these born again ones are being kept by the power of God through Faith ! And for what purpose are they being kept ? Unto Salvation ready to be revealed.
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Old 07-09-2011, 07:25 AM
 
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Kept by the Power of God through Faith !

Many who would pervert this text of scripture, attempt to make mans faith the cause of being kept, and so once a man looses faith, he is no longer kept ! What high handed mutiny against the Power of God !

Peter plainly sets forth that those born again are Kept by the Power of God through Faith, that is Faith is a product of the Power of God and it is being sustained by the Power of God. This is the same power by which one believes in the First place. The word power is the greek word dynamis and means:

strength power, ability

a) inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its nature, or which a person or thing exerts and puts forth

b) power for performing miracles

c) moral power and excellence of soul

d) the power and influence which belong to riches and wealth

e) power and resources arising from numbers

f) power consisting in or resting upon armies, forces, hosts

Now we are speaking of Almighty God's Strength, Power and Ability here.

Now the same word Paul uses when saying that we believe according to the working of His Power, Eph 1:19

19And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

So believing is a result of God's Strength being exerted, His Power. So the believer is kept a believer, no fear of apostasy, by the very Power of God.

Thats why it was written centuries before regarding the Blessings of the New Covenant Jer 32:40

And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

You see that is what a believer is, a recipient of the New Covenant Blessings conferred upon them as a result of the Death of Christ.

That Power of God keeps the Believer in Faith. The preposition dia also means with or in !

So the phrase could read 1Pet 1:5

5Who are kept by the power of God in or with faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

The believer is kept by the power of God in Faith !

God's Power keeps them in the Place of Faith or God's Power Keeps them with a supply of Faith.

The Point being, The cause of being kept through Faith is God's Power ! And the Faith is not the cause of being kept by God's Power as those who wrest God's word would tell us.
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Old 07-09-2011, 10:49 AM
 
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Judas was saved at one time, but he's in hell. OSAS is pure heresy, and no heretic will enter the kingdom of God.
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Old 07-09-2011, 10:53 AM
 
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Judas was saved at one time, but he's in hell. OSAS is pure heresy, and no heretic will enter the kingdom of God.
How did you conclude that Judas is in hell? I suspect you believe hell is a place of perpetual torment where people go immediately upon death (unless they are going to heaven). However, there is no scripture that says "Judas went to hell". There is a scripture that says Jesus descended into hell, however. Go figure!
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Old 07-09-2011, 10:56 AM
 
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How did you conclude that Judas is in hell? I suspect you believe hell is a place of perpetual torment where people go immediately upon death (unless they are going to heaven). However, there is no scripture that says "Judas went to hell". There is a scripture that says Jesus descended into hell, however. Go figure!
Well, since Judas died, and hell/hades is simply the grave/death/place of the unseen, then we can surmise that not only did Jesus go there, but Judas did too. And so did/will everyone else.
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:00 AM
 
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True so SBSG's logic... Condemn everyone else that doesn't believe what you do (ie they will go to hell) then claim you can never lose what you believe in. Makes perfect sense.
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:04 AM
 
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True so SBSG's logic... Condemn everyone else that doesn't believe what you do (ie they will go to hell) then claim you can never lose what you believe in. Makes perfect sense.
It's nice to find things to agree about, isn't it?
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:23 AM
 
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Judas was saved at one time,
Says what scripture ?
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:32 AM
 
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Says what scripture ?
Would an unsaved person be given Jesus' gift of healing?
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Old 07-09-2011, 01:15 PM
 
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How did you conclude that Judas is in hell? I suspect you believe hell is a place of perpetual torment where people go immediately upon death (unless they are going to heaven). However, there is no scripture that says "Judas went to hell". There is a scripture that says Jesus descended into hell, however. Go figure!
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Well, since Judas died, and hell/hades is simply the grave/death/place of the unseen, then we can surmise that not only did Jesus go there, but Judas did too. And so did/will everyone else.
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True so SBSG's logic... Condemn everyone else that doesn't believe what you do (ie they will go to hell) then claim you can never lose what you believe in. Makes perfect sense.
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It's nice to find things to agree about, isn't it?
There is eternal security for those who "love God and each other" . . . and who has not had even a single moment of that in their life. The tragedy is that the unloving moments are destined for destruction ("pruning") if not repented before our death . . . because our brain is the only vehicle available to us to transform those prior moments. Repentance is what provides the "believer ON" Christ the "especially" feature.
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