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Old 09-30-2011, 06:28 PM
 
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Peace greetings ALL,

It is my understanding from my study of Scripture that when Yahshua ["Jesus"] communicated ["prayed"] to his and our Father Yahweh Almighty ["the LORD GOD"] WHO IS IN HEAVEN when he himself was HERE ON EARTH [or "IN THE WORLD"] that he made it very clear to Him that he had made His Name known unto the men that He had given him from the world. This fact, in what is recorded shows me that without a doubt that they used our Heavenly Father and Creator's Name.

I have made Your Name known unto the men which You gave me out of the world: Yours they were, and You gave them to me; and they have kept Your word (Yahchanan [John] 17:6). By clicking on the hyperlinked Scriptural text you will see diverse translations of this verse. I would like for you to note that in a number of these translation that it seems that the translators are trying to hide the fact that the Messiah specifically made his and our Heavenly Father and Creator's Name known to his disciples and fellow Apostles. Following is one of these translations:

New Living Translation (©2007)
"I have revealed you to the ones you gave me from this world. They were always yours. You gave them to me, and they have kept your word (John 17:6).

Note that the word 'name' is not used in this translation and a number of the other translations of this verse.

Many believe that our Heavenly Father and Creator's Name was not used (* called upon, proclaimed, published, and etc.) by Yahshua's disciples (students) and his fellow Apostles (those sent forth) as the Scripture they relied upon for their doctrine (teaching) instructed them to do (cf. 2 Timothy 3:16,17). What you will find in these many translations that are used today is not His Name being used, but instead mere titles such as "the LORD" and "God". Scripture clearly instructs that we are not to add unto or take away from Father Yahweh's propehetic word (Deuteronomy 4:2; 12:32; Proverbs 30:5-6; Revelation 22:18-19; Galatians 1:6-12).

* Scripture clearly teaches that we are to set apart ("hallow {make holy}, sanctify"), revere ("fear"), remember, think upon, wait upon, walk in, trust in, love, seek, declare (proclaim), bless, publish, call upon, sing unto, praise, esteem ("glorify"), make known ("manifest"), and know His Name.

THE NAME YAHWEH

Since the so-called "Old Testament" is the only Scripture that the disciples (students) of Yahshua and his fellow Apostles (those sent forth) relied upon for their doctrine for reproof and correction and instruction in righteousness, do you not believe that they followed this instructive document as did their Master Yahshua? Note that the so-called "New Testament" had not yet been compiled at the time 2 Timothy 3:16-17 was being taught, so what was being referred to is the so-called "Old Testament".

I have compiled links to a number of articles below that prove without a doubt that the disciples (students) of Yahshua and his fellow Apostles (those sent forth) used (* called upon, proclaimed, published, and etc.) our Heavenly Father and Creator's Name. In fact, these articles will point out that what is taught in Scripture alone proves this fact and will direct you to Scripture verses and passages that proclaims this fact. Moderator cut: solicitation of website

YaHWeH In The New Testament


Is The Name YHWH in the New Testament?


The Holy Name in the New Testament


The Holy Name in the Original Hebrew/Greek


Is "Lord" (Kyrios) the name of God in the Greek Scriptures?

The Holy Name of Yahweh in the Testaments
OR
[PDF] Version
The Twelve Tribe Torah Institute, Inc.



Hebrew Roots/Neglected Commandments/Honouring His Name/NT-usage
WIKIBOOKS



Did the Messiah say the Heavenly Father's Name?
EliYAH



Our Savior Spoke the Sacred Name
Peter tells us in 1Peter 2:21 that Yahshua was our example and that we should follow in His steps. If He called on His Father’s Name Yahweh, then so must we. Here’s proof that He did exactly that!
Yahweh's Assembly In Yahshua


YHWH in the New Testament
This article is a English version of a Italian article published on the catholic magazine, edited from Dehonian friars, "Rivista Biblica", year XLV, n. 2, April-June 1997, p. 183-186. Bologna, Italy



In Journal of Biblical Literature, George Howard of the University of Georgia wrote:
“We know for a fact that Greek-speaking Jews continued to write יהוה within their Greek Scriptures. Moreover, it is most unlikely that early conservative G...reek-speaking Jewish Christians varied from this practice. Although in secondary references to God they probably used the words [God] and [Lord], it would have been extremely unusual for them to have dismissed the Tetragram from the biblical text itself. . . . Since the Tetragram was still written in the copies of the Greek Bible which made up the Scriptures of the early church, it is reasonable to believe that the N[ew] T[estament] writers, when quoting from Scripture, preserved the Tetragram within the biblical text. . . . But when it was removed from the Greek O[ld] T[estament], it was also removed from the quotations of the O[ld] T[estament] in the N[ew] T[estament]. Thus somewhere around the beginning of the second century the use of surrogates [substitutes] must have crowded out the Tetragram in both Testaments.”—Vol. 96, No. 1, March 1977, pp. 76, 77



The Tetragrammaton and the Christian Greek Scriptures
The Complete Book
(http://www.tetragrammaton.org/tetra5.htm - broken link)CLICK HERE for downloadable Word files or CLICK HERE for PDF files with full font reproduction.

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Old 10-02-2011, 06:47 PM
 
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Gods name is not Yawheh. His name is a mystery to the world.

I do not need your links because I know the name of the Lord and I keep His word.The name of the Lord is revealed to His servants and disciples, the son of man/ son of God.The reason you do not hear is that you are not my sheep.

My sheep hear my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. No one can take them out of my hand.
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one can take them out of the Lord's hand.The Lord and I are one.

Isaiah)

Hear then, O Jacob, my servant, Israel, whom I have chosen.
Thus says the Lord who made you, your help, who formed you from the womb: Fear not, O Jacob, my servant, the darling whom I have chosen.
I will pour out water upon the thirsty ground, and streams upon the dry land; I will pour out my spirit upon your offspring, and my blessing upon your descendants.

Thus says the Lord, Israel's King and redeemer, the Lord of hosts: I am the first and I am the last; there is no God but me.
Remember this, O Jacob, you, O Israel, who are my servant! I formed you to be a servant to me. It is I who confirm the words of my servants, I carry out the plan announced by my messengers.

I will give you treasures out of the darkness, and riches that have been hidden away, That you may know that I am the Lord, the God of Israel, who calls you by your name.
For the sake of Jacob, my servant, of Israel my chosen one, I have called you by your name, giving you a title, though you knew me not.
I am the Lord and there is no other, there is no God besides me. It is I who arm you, though you know me not, so that toward the rising and the setting of the sun men may know that there is none besides me. I am the Lord, there is no other; I form the light, and create the darkness, I make well-being and create woe; I, the Lord, do all these things.

I, the Lord, speak the truth, I say what is right. Come here and declare in counsel together: Who announced this from the beginning and foretold it from of old? Was it not I, the Lord, besides whom there is no other God? There is no just and saving God but me.

Turn to me and be safe, all you ends of the earth, for I am God; there is no other!
By myself I swear, uttering my just decree and my unalterable word: To me every knee shall bend; by me every tongue shall swear,
Saying, Only in the Lord are just deeds and power.
In the Lord shall be the vindication and the glory of all the descendants of Israel.

If I do not perform my Father's works, do not believe me;
but if I perform them, even if you do not believe me, put faith in the works, so that you may realize that the Lord is in me and I am in the Lord.

I am the resurrection and the life; anyone who believes in me, even though he died, he will come to life, and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. The Lord and I are ONE. He sent me.
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Old 10-02-2011, 07:02 PM
 
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Gods name is not Yawheh. His name is a mystery to the world.

I do not need your links because I know the name of the Lord and I keep His word.The name of the Lord is revealed to His servants and disciples, the son of man/ son of God.The reason you do not hear is that you are not my sheep.
So are you going to share that name with us, or is it a secret?

Or is your statement just self aggrandizing and only supportable based on self application (wishful thinking)?

It seems to me that name was known in scripture by both worshippers and non-worshippers. But you imply it is supposed to be different now?
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Old 10-02-2011, 08:21 PM
 
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So are you going to share that name with us, or is it a secret?

Or is your statement just self aggrandizing and only supportable based on self application (wishful thinking)?

It seems to me that name was known in scripture by both worshippers and non-worshippers. But you imply it is supposed to be different now?
Yawhew is not Gods name.His name is revealed to the son of man/son of God,the servant of God as told in scripture.

The man who keeps the commandments he has from me is the man who loves me and the man who loves me will be loved by my Father,I too will love him and reveal myself to him.

The Lord God does nothing without revealing His secret plans to his servants the prophets.

Like I have said before, "If you have faith you'll see the glory of God".

Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God.

The man who wants to come to me will hear my words and put them into practice.

If I live in you and my words become part of you,you may ask what you will and your will shall be done for you.

My followers are sent into the world as I was sent into the world, with the same words ,the same message."Anyone who is ashamed of me and my words is not worthy of me. Anyone who is not willing to pick up his cross and follow after me is not worthy of me.

If you keep my message of endurance, I will keep you safe in the time of trial that is going to come to the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

The victor I will make into a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will never leave it again. On him I will inscribe the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, as well as my new name.

I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will enter his house and dine with him, and he with me.
I will give the victor the right to sit with me on my throne, as I myself first won the victory and sit with my Father on his throne.

"Fear God and give him glory, for his time has come to sit in judgment. Worship him who made heaven and earth and sea and springs of water."

Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on, let them find rest from their labors, for their works accompany them”.

The Lord’s judgments are true and just.

The ways of the Lord are true and just.

The Lords power will be known to His servants but to His enemies His wrath.

I am son of man,Jesus sent me,we are ONE. The works I do in my Fathers name bear witness for me. If you do not want believe me then put faith in the works so you will see that the Lord lives in me and I in Him.
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Old 10-02-2011, 08:36 PM
 
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Yawhew is not Gods name.His name is revealed to the son of man/son of God,the servant of God as told in scripture.

The man who keeps the commandments he has from me is the man who loves me and the man who loves me will be loved by my Father,I too will love him and reveal myself to him.

The Lord God does nothing without revealing His secret plans to his servants the prophets.

Like I have said before, "If you have faith you'll see the glory of God".

Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God.

The man who wants to come to me will hear my words and put them into practice.

If I live in you and my words become part of you,you may ask what you will and your will shall be done for you.

My followers are sent into the world as I was sent into the world, with the same words ,the same message."Anyone who is ashamed of me and my words is not worthy of me. Anyone who is not willing to pick up his cross and follow after me is not worthy of me.

If you keep my message of endurance, I will keep you safe in the time of trial that is going to come to the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

The victor I will make into a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will never leave it again. On him I will inscribe the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, as well as my new name.

I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will enter his house and dine with him, and he with me.
I will give the victor the right to sit with me on my throne, as I myself first won the victory and sit with my Father on his throne.

"Fear God and give him glory, for his time has come to sit in judgment. Worship him who made heaven and earth and sea and springs of water."

Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on, let them find rest from their labors, for their works accompany them”.

The Lord’s judgments are true and just.

The ways of the Lord are true and just.

The Lords power will be known to His servants but to His enemies His wrath.

I am son of man,Jesus sent me,we are ONE. The works I do in my Fathers name bear witness for me. If you do not want believe me then put faith in the works so you will see that the Lord lives in me and I in Him.
You could have just said you couldn't provide it. Much more succinct.
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Old 10-03-2011, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Richmond, Indiana
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Gods name is not Yawheh. His name is a mystery to the world.

I do not need your links because I know the name of the Lord and I keep His word.The name of the Lord is revealed to His servants and disciples, the son of man/ son of God.The reason you do not hear is that you are not my sheep.

My sheep hear my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. No one can take them out of my hand.
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one can take them out of the Lord's hand.The Lord and I are one.

Isaiah)

Hear then, O Jacob, my servant, Israel, whom I have chosen.
Thus says the Lord who made you, your help, who formed you from the womb: Fear not, O Jacob, my servant, the darling whom I have chosen.
I will pour out water upon the thirsty ground, and streams upon the dry land; I will pour out my spirit upon your offspring, and my blessing upon your descendants.

Thus says the Lord, Israel's King and redeemer, the Lord of hosts: I am the first and I am the last; there is no God but me.
Remember this, O Jacob, you, O Israel, who are my servant! I formed you to be a servant to me. It is I who confirm the words of my servants, I carry out the plan announced by my messengers.

I will give you treasures out of the darkness, and riches that have been hidden away, That you may know that I am the Lord, the God of Israel, who calls you by your name.
For the sake of Jacob, my servant, of Israel my chosen one, I have called you by your name, giving you a title, though you knew me not.
I am the Lord and there is no other, there is no God besides me. It is I who arm you, though you know me not, so that toward the rising and the setting of the sun men may know that there is none besides me. I am the Lord, there is no other; I form the light, and create the darkness, I make well-being and create woe; I, the Lord, do all these things.

I, the Lord, speak the truth, I say what is right. Come here and declare in counsel together: Who announced this from the beginning and foretold it from of old? Was it not I, the Lord, besides whom there is no other God? There is no just and saving God but me.

Turn to me and be safe, all you ends of the earth, for I am God; there is no other!
By myself I swear, uttering my just decree and my unalterable word: To me every knee shall bend; by me every tongue shall swear,
Saying, Only in the Lord are just deeds and power.
In the Lord shall be the vindication and the glory of all the descendants of Israel.

If I do not perform my Father's works, do not believe me;
but if I perform them, even if you do not believe me, put faith in the works, so that you may realize that the Lord is in me and I am in the Lord.

I am the resurrection and the life; anyone who believes in me, even though he died, he will come to life, and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. The Lord and I are ONE. He sent me.

You are right in saying "Gods name is not Yawheh." Yahweh is the Name of our Heavenly Father and Creator, not the name of a mere "God". You are also right in saying "His name is a mystery to the world (1 Yahchanan [John] 4:5).", since those "of the world" (1 Yahchanan [John] 4:5) are "of the world" (1 Yahchanan [John] 4:5) and not of Yahweh and know not Yahweh Those "of the world" (1 Yahchanan [John] 4:5) do not give Yahweh the esteem that is due unto His Name as Scripture clearly instructs (Psalm 29:2, 96:8 & I Chronicles 16:29). Yahweh says "Therefore MY PEOPLE will know My Name; therefore at that time they will know that it is I Who foretold it. Yes, it is I." (Isayah 52:6).

The Name Yahweh

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Old 10-03-2011, 12:54 PM
 
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You are right in saying "Gods name is not Yawheh." Yahweh is the Name of our Heavenly Father and Creator, not the name of a mere "God". You are also right in saying "His name is a mystery to the world (1 Yahchanan [John] 4:5).", since those "of the world" (1 Yahchanan [John] 4:5) are "of the world" (1 Yahchanan [John] 4:5) and not of Yahweh and know not Yahweh Those "of the world" (1 Yahchanan [John] 4:5) do not give Yahweh the esteem that is due unto His Name as Scripture clearly instructs (Psalm 29:2, 96:8 & I Chronicles 16:29). Yahweh says "Therefore MY PEOPLE will know My Name; therefore at that time they will know that it is I Who foretold it. Yes, it is I." (Isayah 52:6).

The Name Yahweh
My Father the Lord God has a secret name which is not Yawheh.I can see you are not my sheep or my brother.My sheep hear my voice, I know them,but you I do not know. Those who belong to God hear the word of God.Walk in the light once you have it or darkness will remain over you.

To the victor, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life that is in the garden of God.

To the victor I shall give some of the hidden manna; I shall also give a white amulet upon which is inscribed a new name, which no one knows except the One who receives it.

To the victor, who keeps to my ways until the end, I will give authority over the nations.
He will rule them with an iron rod. Like clay vessels will they be smashed,
just as I received authority from my Father. And to him I will give the morning star.

The victor will thus be dressed in white, and I will never erase his name from the book of life but will acknowledge his name in the presence of my Father and of his angels.

If you keep my message of endurance, I will keep you safe in the time of trial that is going to come to the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

The victor I will make into a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will never leave it again. On him I will inscribe the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, as well as my new name.

I am the light of the world, no one who follows me will ever walk in darkness because he will possess the light of life.

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Old 10-03-2011, 01:33 PM
 
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My Father the Lord God has a secret name which is not Yawheh.I can see you are not my sheep or my brother.My sheep hear my voice, I know them,but you I do not know. Those who belong to God hear the word of God.Walk in the light once you have it or darkness will remain over you.

To the victor, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life that is in the garden of God.

To the victor I shall give some of the hidden manna; I shall also give a white amulet upon which is inscribed a new name, which no one knows except the One who receives it.

To the victor, who keeps to my ways until the end, I will give authority over the nations.
He will rule them with an iron rod. Like clay vessels will they be smashed,
just as I received authority from my Father. And to him I will give the morning star.

The victor will thus be dressed in white, and I will never erase his name from the book of life but will acknowledge his name in the presence of my Father and of his angels.

If you keep my message of endurance, I will keep you safe in the time of trial that is going to come to the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

The victor I will make into a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will never leave it again. On him I will inscribe the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, as well as my new name.

I am the light of the world, no one who follows me will ever walk in darkness because he will possess the light of life.
Nowhere in Scripture is it ever said that our Heavenly Father and Creator has a "secret name". In fact as I have previously made known, Father Yahweh said that His people will know His Name. Also, Yahshua in communication ("prayer") with his and our Heavenly Father WHO IS IN HEAVEN when he himself was HERE ON EARTH (or "IN THE WORLD") said that he had made His Name known unto the men that Father Yahweh had GIVEN him OUT OF THE WORLD.

I have made Your Name known unto the men that You gave me out of the world: Yours they were, and You gave them to me; and they have kept Your word (Yahchanan [John] 17:6).

Technically, I never said His Name was "Yawheh"! I said His Name is YAHWEH! You also said "I know the name of the Lord." If it is "a secret" as you have previously said, how is it that you know it? Was YOUR "Lord's" secret name revealed to you and maybe others and were you instructed to keep it a secret from others? If so, where or by what means were you instructed to keep it a secret from others? As for the "new name mentioned in Revelation 3:12, this is Yahshua speaking and this "new name" is not in reference to our Heavenly Father and Creator's Name, but to his own name, since he does say "... MY new name." Now, I would like you to note what it says in Revelation 19:16:

"On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND MASTER OF MASTERS."

Many times in translation the word 'name' is used for the word 'title'. From what is seen in the above verse, this in not in actuality a 'name', but more technically a title. Actually, what is revealed here in this verse has already been revealed, since Yahshua stated "ALL power (authority) in Heaven and in the Earth has been GIVEN to me" (Mattithyah [Matthew] 28:18). The only one who could GIVE Yahshua ALL power (authority) in Heaven and in the Earth is the One Who he has clearly proclaimed to be greater than he (Yahchanan [John] 14:28), and that would most certainly be his and our Father Yahweh.

Another fact is, I do not worship YOUR "Lord God" so, I am most certainly not giving reference to YOUR "Lord God" and the name you believe YOUR "Lord God" to be.

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Old 10-03-2011, 06:49 PM
 
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You could have just said you couldn't provide it. Much more succinct.
For real. This thread is like a bad trip. Sheesh!
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Old 10-03-2011, 07:08 PM
 
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Nowhere in Scripture is it ever said that our Heavenly Father and Creator has a "secret name". In fact as I have previously made known, Father Yahweh said that His people will know His Name. Also, Yahshua in communication ("prayer") with his and our Heavenly Father WHO IS IN HEAVEN when he himself was HERE ON EARTH (or "IN THE WORLD") said that he had made His Name known unto the men that Father Yahweh had GIVEN him OUT OF THE WORLD.

I have made Your Name known unto the men that You gave me out of the world: Yours they were, and You gave them to me; and they have kept Your word (Yahchanan [John] 17:6).

Technically, I never said His Name was "Yawheh"! I said His Name is YAHWEH! You also said "I know the name of the Lord." If it is "a secret" as you have previously said, how is it that you know it? Was YOUR "Lord's" secret name revealed to you and maybe others and were you instructed to keep it a secret from others? If so, where or by what means were you instructed to keep it a secret from others? As for the "new name mentioned in Revelation 3:12, this is Yahshua speaking and this "new name" is not in reference to our Heavenly Father and Creator's Name, but to his own name, since he does say "... MY new name." Now, I would like you to note what it says in Revelation 19:16:

"On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND MASTER OF MASTERS."

Many times in translation the word 'name' is used for the word 'title'. From what is seen in the above verse, this in not in actuality a 'name', but more technically a title. Actually, what is revealed here in this verse has already been revealed, since Yahshua stated "ALL power (authority) in Heaven and in the Earth has been GIVEN to me" (Mattithyah [Matthew] 28:18). The only one who could GIVE Yahshua ALL power (authority) in Heaven and in the Earth is the One Who he has clearly proclaimed to be greater than he (Yahchanan [John] 14:28), and that would most certainly be his and our Father Yahweh.

Another fact is, I do not worship YOUR "Lord God" so, I am most certainly not giving reference to YOUR "Lord God" and the name you believe YOUR "Lord God" to be.


If you lift up the Son of Man, then you will realize that I AM, and that I do nothing on my own, but I only say what the Lord has taught me.
For the one who sent me is with me. He has not deserted me, because I always do what pleases him. If you do not come to believe I AM, you will surely die in your sins.

I came to you in my Father's name and you do not accept me ,but let someone come in his own name and him you will accept.

If only you recognized Gods gift and who it is who's writing to you, you would have asked Him and he would have given you living water.

The Lord Jesus who sent me has testified on my behalf. But you have never heard his voice nor seen his form,
and you do not have his word remaining in you, because you do not believe in the One whom he has sent. Search the scriptures if you think you have eternal life through them; even they testify on my behalf.
But you do not want to come to me to have life.

The Lord God does nothing without revealing His plan to His servants the PROPHET'S.

The just mans mouth speaks wisdom, and his tongue does what is right.The law of his God is in his heart an he will never stumble.

Psalms;

"Blessed are those whose way is blameless, who walk in the law of the Lord.

I remember your name in the night, O Lord, and keep your law.

Let your mercy come to me, that I may live; for your law is my joy".



The works I do in my Father's name testify to me. If I do not perform my Father's works, do not believe me;
but if I perform them, even if you do not believe me, put faith in the works, so that you may realize that the Lord is in me and I am in the Lord.
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