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11-08-2011, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by saved33
God reveals His true nature in both the Testaments He wrote.
Ancient ignorance...yeah, okay. Tell that to God when you plead your case, my friend.
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I do not fear God so there is no case to plead. I experience God and I know His unconditional love and acceptance. The life, teachings and death of Christ perfectly exemplifies it. Fear corrupts any chance of experiencing that pure love. Very sad!  |
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11-08-2011, 01:29 PM
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The Messiah tells us all, "go and SIN NO MORE, or something worse will happen to you". The Apostle John said this is how we tell who are children of the devil and who are children of God. Those who continue to sin have never known Him. "THOSE WHO LIVE IN HIM WILL NOT SIN". That is the clear teachings from God's Word. That is what happens when we are truely born again. Yahushua sets us free, from sin, just as He said. The reason why people don't want to see this truth, and use the teachings of Paul to back it up, is that they want to keep on sinning and not have conviction of sin.
This is where the power of faith comes in. You have a choice to make. You can come to the light and repent of sin... stop sinning (through His power of course, but by your choice), or, you can tell Yahushua, after He warns you to stop, "I can't stop, so I will continue to sin and reject all conviction from your Holy Spirit". If you chose to "believe" that, guess what, that's what's going to grow, even more sin and confusion. But if you "listen and obey" the Messiah's warnings and say, "hmmm, Yahushua you told me to stop, so it must in fact be possible, so I'm going to believe you, not what man tells me". If you respond that way, guess what, that is the kind of faith He expects from you. He will never accuse you of trying to save yourself with works because that is a clear teaching and warning from the Messiah Himself. This is going to be the big problem many face on judgment day. Many who practice lawlessness, just as the Messiah said, will be denied entry. And can you take a wild guess at the only teachings they had to back it up? Can you imagine going to God with something Paul said? I'd rather go to Him with something the Messiah said, as well as the true Apostles.
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11-08-2011, 02:07 PM
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Location: Seward, Alaska
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Originally Posted by saved33
Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:39
Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord (Acts 3:19)
In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. Acts 17:30
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Exactly. Saved33 is 100% right on.
The idea that God is not holding our sin against us nowadays is not Biblical, and is a heresy. All unconfessed, unrepented, sin will be a judgement against us. For example, if I am in an adulterous affair with the neighbors wife (no, I'm not) and have no intention of stopping or repenting, then God WILL absolutely hold that sin against me. We must come to God and confess our sin, repent, (stop sinning), only then will He forgive us.
People just don't like it when you tell them they have to stop sinning...that they WILL be held accountable for their (unconfessed) sins. They want a god that will look the other way, pat them on the back, and say "it's ok...I won't hold this against you...you're only human". Yes, we are only human, but God wants us to be obediant, and to shun sin. Our God is not the kind of god to wink at sin...and I personally would not be happy if He was. God does not change, if He hated sin two or three thousand years ago then He still does today.
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11-08-2011, 03:40 PM
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Location: Seattle, Washington
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Originally Posted by twin.spin
And I told you .... "if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselfs and the truth is not in us"
There are many people who are deceived and don't have the truth.... it is evident in that they reject John 3:36 \ Matthew 25:31-46.
God does indeed hold sin against those who reject Jesus as God. You are fooling yourself if you think you can "deal" with it.
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So you confess your sins to make sure God knows that you know that you still sin and am not a liar?
I CAN 'deal' with it later. I have no sins to confess. My moral standards for myself are quite high so I focus on loving others and myself. If I do this I have no sins to remember. But thanks for clarifying your position.
Neither of us can even prove any details of an afterlife so it's a moot point. The question I asked was more about god not counting your sins against you. You still seem to believe you are under sin, not grace. IMO. |
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11-08-2011, 03:50 PM
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Location: Seattle, Washington
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Originally Posted by BudinAk
Exactly. Saved33 is 100% right on.
The idea that God is not holding our sin against us nowadays is not Biblical, and is a heresy. All unconfessed, unrepented, sin will be a judgement against us. For example, if I am in an adulterous affair with the neighbors wife (no, I'm not) and have no intention of stopping or repenting, then God WILL absolutely hold that sin against me. We must come to God and confess our sin, repent, (stop sinning), only then will He forgive us.
People just don't like it when you tell them they have to stop sinning...that they WILL be held accountable for their (unconfessed) sins. They want a god that will look the other way, pat them on the back, and say "it's ok...I won't hold this against you...you're only human". Yes, we are only human, but God wants us to be obediant, and to shun sin. Our God is not the kind of god to wink at sin...and I personally would not be happy if He was. God does not change, if He hated sin two or three thousand years ago then He still does today.
Bud
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So as far as the OP goes.. You believe that passage is heretical? Maybe I misunderstood.
As far as your example of adultery....if you were doing that, you would be sowing deceit and calamity. You will then naturally reap deception and calamity.
Why should you need punishment or fear of punishment from any god to make you see that? |
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11-08-2011, 03:58 PM
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Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Originally Posted by katjonjj
So you confess your sins to make sure God knows that you know that you still sin and am not a liar?
I CAN 'deal' with it later. I have no sins to confess. My moral standards for myself are quite high so I focus on loving others and myself. If I do this I have no sins to remember. But thanks for clarifying your position.
Neither of us can even prove any details of an afterlife so it's a moot point. The question I asked was more about god not counting your sins against you. You still seem to believe you are under sin, not grace. IMO.
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Not quite on both counts ......
The crucial point that what makes the OP false ... false, is your second paragraph.
That was the exact mentality of the Pharisee's and the teachers of the Law... as was the case for OT Israel. |
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11-08-2011, 04:09 PM
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Location: Seattle, Washington
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Originally Posted by twin.spin
Not quite on both counts ......
The crucial point that what makes the OP false ... false, is your second paragraph.
That was the exact mentality of the Pharisee's and the teachers of the Law... as was the case for OT Israel.
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Lol. You say not quite but I'm curious to know how it is not quite.
As a non-Jew and non-Christian it is ironic you compare me to the pharisees! However, I am free to love my neighbor as myself. I am free do good just for the sake of good deeds themselves. You might say I'm even selfish in that I don't do good deeds because I'm afraid ill go to hell or wanting to get to heaven. I do them because the law of attraction brings good deeds my way in return.
So back on topic... Can you explain why you confess your sins to god and ask for forgiveness if the bible says god is not counting them against you, or remembers them no more? |
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11-08-2011, 04:44 PM
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Location: New England
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
What we owe to God is much greater we can ever own to a fellow human. Someone used the Wicked Servant parable yesterday and it demonstrated very well the magnitude of the sin debt we owe God. It was measured as several thousand lifetimes worth of wages, which is same as saying it is so big no one can ever pay it. Only God can forgive it, and He will forgive it.
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Thankfully HE IS not holding that debt against us.
Lord if you held our debt against us who could stand ? Psalm 130 :3 |
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11-08-2011, 05:05 PM
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Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Originally Posted by katjonjj
Lol. You say not quite but I'm curious to know how it is not quite.
As a non-Jew and non-Christian it is ironic you compare me to the pharisees! However, I am free to love my neighbor as myself. I am free do good just for the sake of good deeds themselves. You might say I'm even selfish in that I don't do good deeds because I'm afraid ill go to hell or wanting to get to heaven. I do them because the law of attraction brings good deeds my way in return.
So back on topic... Can you explain why you confess your sins to god and ask for forgiveness if the bible says god is not counting them against you, or remembers them no more?
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No where does it say that a repetitive question needs to be answered 70 x's 7.
Look for previous answers and be content with it. |
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11-08-2011, 08:38 PM
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Location: Seattle, Washington
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Originally Posted by twin.spin
No where does it say that a repetitive question needs to be answered 70 x's 7.
Look for previous answers and be content with it.
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I was simply interested in your take on it. When I was a Christian I was told god would hold my sins against me unless I addressed each specific one, repented of it, and asked forgiveness for it. So I'm just curious but you don't have to explain.
If my church had explained that god was not holding my sins against me maybe I would have acted differently toward christianity. |
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