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Old 11-06-2011, 07:16 AM
 
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If the message of reconciliation is not "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not counting the sin of the people against them", what in your mind is it ?.
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Old 11-06-2011, 07:16 AM
 
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All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name." Acts 10:43

God forgives the sins of those who believe in Him, through faith in His Son Jesus Christ. If you do not believe that Jesus forgave YOU for YOUR sins on the cross, He does not forgive YOUR SINS.
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Old 11-06-2011, 07:22 AM
 
Location: New England
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All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name." Acts 10:43

God forgives the sins of those who believe in Him, through faith in His Son Jesus Christ. If you do not believe that Jesus forgave YOU for YOUR sins on the cross, He does not forgive YOUR SINS.
Then you believe opposite to what Paul wrote about the message of reconciliation towards those who are not reconciled. Yours actually is a message of unforgiveness not forgiveness .You have God still against the world because of their sin,Paul as God for them, because in God being for them not against them is the good news.Good news which will change your life if believed.

God was in Christ reconciling the world to HIMSELF, NOT COUNTING THE SIN OF THE PEOPLE AGAINST THEM.
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Old 11-06-2011, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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Robin is the ministry of reconciliation for the believer who is reconciled or for those who are not reconciled ?

Can you please explain where the half truth is in this ? ^^^^^
The unbeliever. The half truth is where you are stating that the "ALL" means believers and unbelievers when it only means believers.

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The believer is reconciled so how can the message of reconciliation of the ambassador(the reconciled) be a message to the reconciled ? to believe such a thing you have ot be as stiff necked as they come.

You who are not reconciled to God I want you to know and assure you that God is not holding your sin against you,so be reconciled to him. No matter what you have done, or how bad you see yourself in your own eyes, God is not holding that against you.
Believe it, and your feet will be guided into the path of peace,guided not by a bible although the bible contains many a wonderful treasure , but guided by his presence within your innermost being.
The message is for both, the believer for growth and the unbeliever for salvation.

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Hands up who believe this message of reconciliation through the forgiveness of sins is for the believer

And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21 God made him who had no sin to be sin[b] for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Please give us more that cherry picked theology, this can go back and forth forever, Content and context not just opinion, facts not just theories.
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Old 11-06-2011, 07:38 AM
 
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The unbeliever. The half truth is where you are stating that the "ALL" means believers and unbelievers when it only means believers.



The message is for both, the believer for growth and the unbeliever for salvation.



Please give us more that cherry picked theology, this can go back and forth forever, Content and context not just opinion, facts not just theories.
So the ministry of reconciliation is for those who are already reconciled Lord have Mercy on us. The message is for ALL that are not reconciled and the message to ALL that are not reconciled is "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not counting YOUR sin against you. This is the good news, which you ,Finn Jarber and Saved33 need to believe.

Why do you need to be told to "BE YE RECONCILED',if you already are ? Lol.
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Old 11-06-2011, 07:56 AM
 
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pcamps, your original post is beautiful, full of grace and truth. What follows after that is obviously from the depths of bitter, hardened hearts. Jesus himself said woe to those who were trying to PREVENT those who were entering to GO IN.

Matthew 23:13
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
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Old 11-06-2011, 08:09 AM
 
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So the ministry of reconciliation is for those who are already reconciled Lord have Mercy on us. The message is for ALL that are not reconciled and the message to ALL that are not reconciled is "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not counting YOUR sin against you. This is the good news, which you ,Finn Jarber and Saved33 need to believe.

Why do you need to be told to "BE YE RECONCILED',if you already are ? Lol.
The message is for both, reconciled for growth and non-reconciled for salvation.
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Old 11-06-2011, 08:36 AM
 
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I am not allowed to address the topic?

It is telling you are offended when someone provides context to your cherry picked verse.

I think people deserve to know the whole truth, and the fact that your message is a cherry picked verse presented only to promote a false teaching.
Keep speaking the Truth, Finn. If God had already saved everyone/ forgiven everyone, then there was no reason for Jesus Christ to exist. Without belief in Jesus Christ, one is not saved from the wrath of God. Why else does so much of the Bible (Holy Spirit or God Himself revealing truth to many authors across thousands of years) address what happens to unbelievers?
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Old 11-06-2011, 08:43 AM
 
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It's nothing but pure egoic/carnal arrogance and pride to believe that you have it all figured out...that the truth you've come to believe is the absolute truth...and anyone else, who doesn't agree with you, is wrong or lying. The Good News turns into Bad News with ones such as these.
How do we learn about God? By spending time in His Word, the Holy Bible.

If "eveyone is forgiven", then spending a life in the Word and believing Christ is the ONLY way to salvation has no consequence. We all are saved and go to Heaven.

If "Christ is the only way", those who fought against the one true gospel will suffer the consequence. They'll be suffering eternal separation from God.

God has many character traits. He is loving but also full of wrath. Those who miss the non-positive traits of God are missing out on understanding Him and His message. The only way he can see us as sinless and blameness is through the lens of Christ.
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Old 11-06-2011, 09:28 AM
 
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Good morning, Y'all, how are we doing this "spring back day" ? Did you remember to set your clocks back ???

Well, I believe what the apostles through our Lord God and Savior Jesus has shared, testified, to us God's love, mercy, through the beautiful scripture, what is the truth of God, witnessing to us through the power of His blessed Holy Spirit ....

"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.
The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.

This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us."
(1 John 1:1-10)

Yes, it is correct, God (the Light) is reconciling many people of this world too Himself, and He will not count their sin against those people..... God is reconciling them through Jesus Christ (the Light) in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.(Col.1:14)!!

YET, the people of the world are warned by God that the one who rejects Christ, wanting nothing to do with Him, the gospel, the good news and rather live being their own god and living in their sin (darkness) are not reconciled to God.
Their sin (darkness) blinds AND separates them from God (the Light) and therefore they are not reconciled to God until they repent of their sin (turn the other direction away from sin toward God), as we read in the book of Acts 2:38,.... “Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

That forgiveness is ONLY IN and THROUGH Christ Jesus (Light) the RECONCILER, bringing many to the kingdom of God.... to become the sons and daughters of the Most High God.... amen !!
That is what the Bible is all about, a message of reconciliation that..." In Him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace," (Eph.1:7), a love letter to the world from God..... and we must read it in complete context of the whole book, the word of God.....
THAT.....
"All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” (Acts 10:43)
“Therefore, my friends, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to YOU.(Acts 13:38)...... in order.... "to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in Me." (Acts 26:18)

Here is some beautiful scripture to search, meditate, whatever you choose to do.... be blessed through it !!
Psalm 130:3-5
3. If you, LORD, kept a record of sins,
Lord, who could stand?
4. But with you there is forgiveness,
so that we can, with reverence, serve you.

5. I wait for the LORD, my whole being waits,
and in his word I put my hope.

Acts 2:37-39
37. When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38. Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

Luke 24:46-48
46. He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
47. and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48. You are witnesses of these things.

Matthew 26:27-28
27. Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you.
28. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.


Please take the time and search, study the word of God and I guarantee with all my heart, life, that the Holy Spirit will lead anyone and everyone to GOD'S COMPLETE WILL AND TRUTH for your life.....
Don't just take anyone's word, including mine, seek it for yourself and God will lead you in all HIS truth, not man's..... amen !!

Blessings to all !
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