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Old 11-06-2011, 12:32 PM
 
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The believer is reconciled so how can the message of reconciliation of the ambassador(the reconciled) be a message to the reconciled ? to believe such a thing you have ot be as stiff necked as they come.

You who are not reconciled to God I want you to know and assure you that God is not holding your sin against you,so be reconciled to him. No matter what you have done, or how bad you see yourself in your own eyes, God is not holding that against you.
Believe it, and your feet will be guided into the path of peace,guided not by a bible although the bible contains many a wonderful treasure , but guided by his presence within your innermost being.
Does not reconciled mean not a believer of god or someon who is a sinner?If its the sinner but believes in god then I take it you mean that they shouldn't let their present sins, sins of past stop them from being closer to god in spirit or belief? so like don't think god won't forgive and there's no chance of forgivness because of sin? isn't that what Jesus went to the cross for?
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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This is the good news. It is not about believing in christianity. Especially the fundamental wing of it, it is not about believing in the bible, it is about believing beyond all the unforgiveness, whether it comes from the lying mouths of the fundamentalist, or your own condemned conscience and accepting that Jesus Christ is not holding your sin against you, there are no strings or conditions attached.
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Where did I say you did ?.


Finn Jarber do you understand how pathetic you are making yourself out to be,by believing the message of reconciliation is for those who are already reconciled (the believer is the reconciled ),this is how stiff necked you actually are that you cannot understand or refuse to understand this.
Do you see the above emboldened? And please respond to something Finn has actually claimed not what you half read.
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:35 PM
 
Location: New England
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Do you see the above emboldened? And please respond to something Finn has actually claimed not what you half read.
Yes I tagged it onto my post, it was not directed to you. It was for the benefit of those who need to be reconciled .See pst 43

Finn Jarber from his first post said the message of reconciliation is for the believer, you say it is for both,the scriptures tell us it is for those who are not reconciled . How difficult is this for either of you to understand, I will be answering no further posts of yours too, until you acknowledge who the message of reconciliation is for.
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Right. Again, who is He reconciling to Himself? US. The People. Who are US, the people? Anyone who is in Christ and has been made new aka the believers.


17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come:[a] The old has gone, the new is here! 18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them
Finn, define old and new....
The old (US) were reconcilED. The new (US) are given the ministry of reconciliation to help those not reconciled so that they may know god is not counting their sins against them and be reconciled.

The grammar isn't that hard to comprehend.
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Think of it this way... You are 500 lbs and your doctor says you cannot exercise until you get down to 400 lbs but you really want to become healthy and lose weight. What a conundrum.

Those in opposition to the OP would have you believe you must lose 100 lbs of sin first before God will forgive you and you can be reconciled. Yet the bible says "come as you are" and "your sins are not counted against you". God sees you as sinless so that you can be reconciled and achieve sinlessness.
How do you figure that? You don't have to lose 100 lb on your own. Just ask God to take off your back, and He will do it.

You should watch Pilgrim's Progress movie, or read the book. It will help you understand.
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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Of cause it is individual .

Now where in your bible does it say we are forgiven and saved through a personal relationship with Christ ?

Here is what the scripture actually says.

To give his people the knowledge of salvation
***through the forgiveness of their sins,
because of the tender mercy of our God,
So you are saying that we don't have a personal relationship with Christ? Lord forbid, we are adopted into His family and forgiven by our faith thru His grace.
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Florida
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You are an enemy of the good news, you are as stiff necked as they come, and your flat out denial that the message of reconciliation is for those who are not reconciled proves it.
Yes, you have already judged me as the enemy several times.

You are doing your usual spin & twist dance, but it won't work with me.
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:39 PM
 
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God isn't forgiving the world. He's made forgiveness possible though personal relationships with Jesus. There's a big difference.
If you do not believe that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their sins to them, then you do not believe the testimony of the Gospel.

The Greek word καταλλασσων, that we translate as reconciling, and the Greek word λογιζομενος, that we translate as reckoning (or imputing) are both being used in the Greek "present tense". It is happening right now, as I type this on the keyboard. Believe it. Believe the Good News, now. The Gospel is not a half truth.

It is not something that is a mere "possibility" waiting to happen, as you think, but is happening right now!!!.

Believe it and receive it!
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:40 PM
 
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Where did I say you did ?.


Finn Jarber do you understand how pathetic you are making yourself out to be,by believing the message of reconciliation is for those who are already reconciled (the believer is the reconciled ),this is how stiff necked you actually are that you cannot understand or refuse to understand this.
The MESSAGE of reconciliation is for ALL; the PROMISE of reconciliation is ONLY for those who BELIEVE that Christ is their Savior.


Why do I need to be saved, How does God say I can be saved, Plan of Salvation

"The Bible says that few will end up in Heaven and many will be on the wide road to destruction or Hell. Why? Because even thought Jesus paid for the sin of everyone it is because of sin and unbelief. Each person has to come to the realization that they acknowledge that they are a sinner, and that they have sinned against God. They have to come to believe and trust that Jesus already paid for their sin back at the cross; and that there is nothing whatsoever they can do to earn their way into a right relationship with God and Heaven."
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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How do you figure that? You don't have to lose 100 lb on your own. Just ask God to take off your back, and He will do it.

You should watch Pilgrim's Progress movie, or read the book. It will help you understand.
I watched the movie and have a copy not 4 feet from where I'm sitting. It is my understanding that the pilgrim held onto his burden because he didn't understand that ... God isn't counting that burden as part of him, isn't counting the burden against him.

Another good story is Hinds feet in high places. Same concept. You can only go so far until you let all those self judgements go and realize god isn't holding it against you... You are. Let it go and be reconciled.
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