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Old 11-16-2011, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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But how do I... Yah, I know.
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Old 11-16-2011, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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Does salvation depend on man or god?
I'll let the scripture speak. Not simpley state my opinion.

John 3:36: Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.

John 3:16-18: For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
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Old 11-16-2011, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Italy
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Do children have faith in their life givers? Of course, although some life givers fail in their duties.

We also need to have a child-like faith in our eternal life giver. Indeed. But He will not fail those who put their trust in Him.
Did you have to choose Adam, friend? Or were you born with a destiny to sin?


Blessings,
brian
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Old 11-16-2011, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Italy
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I'll let the scripture speak. Not simpley state my opinion.

John 3:36: Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.

John 3:16-18: For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
These scriptures have nothing to do with free will!! Can't you see that??


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brian
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Old 11-16-2011, 10:28 AM
 
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jesus is the life preserver.
Grab on and he will preserve your life into all eternity.
a big amen !!!
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Old 11-16-2011, 10:29 AM
 
Location: On a road heaven bound !
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I'll let the scripture speak. Not simpley state my opinion.

John 3:36: Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.

John 3:16-18: For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Amen....

Yes, the scripture will lead one into all truth !!!

What the Scripture teach of the will and promises of God for those who believe and repent !!!

Here is the will and the promises of God who will inherit the kingdom of God !!

Acts 2:37-39
37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Rev.3:4-6
4 You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy.
5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
6 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’

Psalm 32:4-6
4 For day and night Your hand was heavy upon me;
My vitality was turned into the drought of summer. Selah
5 I acknowledged my sin to You,
And my iniquity I have not hidden.
I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the LORD,”
And You forgave the iniquity of my sin. Selah
6 For this cause everyone who is godly shall pray to You
In a time when You may be found;

Romans 10:9-10
9. That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


These are those who will perish and not inherit the kingdom of God !!

Revelation 21:27
And nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Cor.6:9-11
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

Revelation 21:7-8
7 He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.
8 But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

God does not lie !!
Those who live the life described above from the Holy Word of God, will NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.... let no one deceive !!!

There are some here who spread heresy, false teaching and they have corrupt the word of God..... stay in the word and the Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth and show you the deception of these false teachers.... amen !!
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Old 11-16-2011, 10:36 AM
 
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These scriptures have nothing to do with free will!! Can't you see that??


Blessings,
brian
Aren't there things you believe in, through your own free will?

I know for certain a lot of people believed in Obama to fulfill all his promises to our nation...did those people choose, by their own free will, to vote for him based on what Obama promised? Yes, of course.

Believe in God's Son Jesus Christ...
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Old 11-16-2011, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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I'll let the scripture speak. Not simpley state my opinion.

John 3:36: Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.

John 3:16-18: For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
I asked a couple questions which you choose not to answer. Oh well. Definition of gods wrath...???
From the bible...???

If condemnation remains then it was there already. The person seems to be the same not worse after not believing in the promises of god.. How does that affect god? Is he hurt, mad, sad, disappointed??? Is he affected by what we do at all?
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Old 11-16-2011, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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I asked a couple questions which you choose not to answer. Oh well. Definition of gods wrath...???
From the bible...???
God's wrath is not having eternal life. Pretty simple.

John 3:36: Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.

John 3:16-18: For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Old 11-16-2011, 11:18 AM
 
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Jesus is most definitely the one and only life preserver to grab on to!

Interesting how Jesus didn't just throw a life preserver to Peter, he grabbed him and helped him up.
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